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If the limpers are weak/scared players, I would prefer to squeeze-shove preflop; as played, OTF is a fold.

The issue here is that people are calling this guy a huge nit, but also saying that this crazy nit flat called a check raise on the flop with a naked gut shot and overs.

That's the main point. How can a nit call a check-raise OTF with JT on a 974r flop? Once he calls OTF and raises OTT, he almost always has a set (I don't think an overpair would be played in this way) so I would shove turn, cause too many of rivers (T, J, 6, 5, any heart) can freeze the action, and for him would be really difficult (close to impossible) to find an herofold, specially when he has 77 or 99.

Difficult to say if we don't know villain stats; however, he bets ~75% pot OTR on a two busted draws board, is difficult for him to get paid, the only value hands he can have I think are some sets (99, sometimes 44 and 22 if he is the typical swedish lag :D) that want to be paid from Ax, and just AQ, trying to get value from AK and some AJ/AT. But they are very few combos, it seems to me more an attempt to steal the flop (since you checked 2 streets).

Tbh I don't like to 3bet/call JJ here, I'd prefer to 5bet vs aggro villain (3bet range from btn is wide, so it could be wider also his 4bet range) and to fold vs a nitty player. When we call we just have to hope to set since we are in trouble on any A, K or Q high flop, and we can reverse a lot on baby flops. I would 3bet call just with a deeper stack, maybe 150bb+

You should post this in mtt forum, not in nlhe. Btw, it depends a lot to tournament situation (bubble, itm etc) and opponent, but I think folding is not a shame. If we were last to talk, I guess we can consider also a call, but need some math here and I'm not at pc right now.

Does anybody think that vs an aggressive player it could be an option to reraise otf? I mean, if we just call we'll be in trouble and forced to fold on most of 2nd barrell, specially with a scary like an A on the turn. Of course we are going to lose vs a random 6, while we can get value from QQ and maybe also AJ. Due to his preflop and post flop moves, I don't think he has AA/JJ very often here, and it could be easier to play in this way in a spot where we can be outplayed very often (assuming villain is a good reg). I know it's a spewy line buy I've seen so many lag regs 2barrell in bluff on paired flops...but I'm still not sure, it could be interesting to discuss about this.

I think the overbet ott polarizes villain's range a lot. If, as you said, he's a good reg, from utg he could open with monsters as well as some sc, and on that board you are way behind, loosing vs full houses (any AK, AQ, QQ, sometimes also KK), simply a better ace like AJ, straights (JdTd or other JxTx with one diamond played aggressively). He can also play in this way something like QhJh if he is aggressive, buy without any info is difficult to estimate a proper range. Also, you call otf, representing an ace, a queen and sometimes a fd or a combodraw, and I think his overbet ott most of the time could be to get value from random trips or draws. I think folding here is not so bad, almost always you are ahead only vs bluffs

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Usually against non-lag players, cbet 1/3 pot in 3bp/4bp is ok, but vs a lag I agree with Hans, is better a bigger size, maybe 60% pot. Your check ott is beautiful for an aggressive villain, since he can bet at least anything, both value and bluff (and his small size seems a valuebet here).

I would 3bet fold preflop, specially if villain is unknown. You have a hand that is really difficult to play with in a 4bet pot.

I don't think sb could play in this way AK, AQ or lower aces, he would probably 4bet preflop, lead otf or bet a smaller size ott (at least one of these). I win this pot only vs 12 combos (A4 and J9) and lose vs 16 combos (AJ, 44, 99 and maybe some slowplayed JJ or AA), that's why I don't know if is right to call here or not.

Just calling from bb with A9o seems a bit passive way to play, and A9o is not a really strong hand I'm happy to play in a 3-way pot. I usually squeeze this size so that I've lot of fold equity + I can build big pots when doing this with monster hands. What do you think would be the best size?

Thanks for the replies guys :)

You said right, we block FDs, that's why I'm worried. CO keeps flatting, also with a blank OTR I would not be so sure about our equity, too many sets/straights/two pairs/combodraw between their ranges, and I don't know how much is profitable to keep calling. Probably if I squeezed bigger preflop, at least one of them could have folded, and I would have been in a safer situation.
Anyway, river was 9d, MP had set of 8s and CO showed JsTs for a straight.

His overbet otr is no sense, any value hand should just bet smaller here so that it can get paid, and if he is doing this with the nuts (AcXc) he is not going to be paid unless he already knows you love to bluffcatch. If he is not a fish who is overvaluating his hand, most of the times he is probably bluffing with the Ac blocker. It depends of villain stats and history, buy I'd probably call

Nothing to say, is right to 4bet here and is right to fold after the shove.

Does CO 5bet with AQ or what?

Difficult to say without any info. Villain otr could also valuebet a worse A (maybe with 9-T-J kicker) since he can assign you a wide range (any Ax, lot of sc in fd) in btn vs bb, or even bluff a missed fd (you blocks a lot with Qh that's true but he can have KhTh, KhJh, JhTh or other lower sc). Hands better than your are not so much (Ak, flopped sets, KK), but probably he would not 3bets 22 and would not 2 barrel KK on that board, so we can realistic expect just AK, 77 (just 1 combo) and sometimes A7; against this value range there's also a good portion of bluffing range, and since you have 4:1 odds imho is a call.

As played you can easily call flop cause you have odds to get top pair or even a straight; x/x turn is also ok and river is an easy fold. When a fish that is not super aggro mini raise you otf, he always has a hand and he almost never folds, even on scary boards.

Villain is completely unknown? In a spot like this, history could really help. I'd probably x/c flop, then x/c turn and x/f river seems fine.

Sorry I thought you were IP. Btw, you lose vs a big part of his range (all better tens, maybe sets turned in full houses if he resteals a lot, flushes) and there are just a few hands that can call river (maybe JJ+), and I'm not sure he can call really happy on this board with just an over pair, so the value bet could probably be avoided here. There's also the possibility of a bluff made with AcX, but vs unkown is not easy to bluff catch here.

Vs unkown call >>>>>>> 4bet :)

Check back turn and check-call river imho is better than bet and bet-fold

Well, I usually bet 2/3 pot, and I don't like very much to change sizes depending on the situation. And I knew he had a strong hand, so I was trying to take the best value from it.
Unfortunately he showed JJ :D

The misclick was on the preflop, where I wanted to raise 2.5x but I did 2x.

Yeah I know pot odds are just telling me to call, but I thought that OTF he probably shoves only with a hand that has equity vs my 4bet range, that was my doubt. But I probably in game I can never fold here.

@Dddogkillah I play on pokerstars.it and usually people here don't like very much to 5-bet unless they have AA/KK ;)