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Gustavo Siciliano

2 points

I don´t think it´s that obv :)

July 4, 2013 | 8:04 p.m.

Do you have any reads on Martas111? I think it´s kindda spewy to 4B in this spot unless you guys have some kind of dinamycs. Yes, you are not that far behind AA** (around 38% equity), but why getting it in behind PF when you can call the 3B pre, with the opponent´s range pretty much face up, and play the flop almost perfectly against his range?

July 4, 2013 | 7:29 p.m.

Well, against a value range of sets, straights and 2-pair, you have 20 - 25% equity. OTT, after the raise, you are getting 2:1, so you don´t have the odds to call. I think this turn is a b/f  unless you know your opponent is very aggressive and can have some draws in his range, which I wouldn´t assume w/o specific reads.

July 4, 2013 | 7:23 p.m.

Just a side note, why didn´t you start that hand with a full buy-in? I believe it´s better to just auto top-up.

July 4, 2013 | 7:15 p.m.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense what you said about preflop and also probably raising the flop is a better play, thanks.

July 4, 2013 | 7:12 p.m.

BN: gsiciliano: $10
SB: Live is Best: $19.67
BB: DRAGMET: $17.46
UTG: fillfull2011: $2.73
HJ: lj56: $33.99
CO: pance93: $6.03
Villain is playing 33/17 in 6 hands (this is ZOOM), no other reads
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
gsiciliano was dealt J 8 9 4
fillfull2011 folds, lj56 folds, pance93 folds, gsiciliano raises to $0.25, Live is Best raises to $0.85, DRAGMET folds, gsiciliano calls $0.60
Here, i'm getting 2:1 with aroud 41% equity vs a strong value range of AA** and big RDs + position
Flop ($1.85) 9 T 3 (2 Players)
Live is Best bets $1.72, gsiciliano calls $1.72
Is it a raise with 2nd pair + OESD and 2 BDFDs? Went for using the power of position and see a turn.
Turn ($5.29) 9 T 3 K (2 Players)
Live is Best bets $5, gsiciliano raises to $7.43, and is all in, Live is Best calls $2.43
Against a value range of sets (KK**, TT**, 99**), 2-pair (KT**, K9**) and a hand like AA** with the nut FD I have around 33% equity, and this is like the worst-case scenario range. Since if I just called I have only $2 left with a pot that would be $15, I decided to just stick the money in, since there was the very small possibility he had just a FD + st8 draw (but, getting 7,5:1...)

July 4, 2013 | 1:28 a.m.

The reasons you 3bet such hands, which are mainly to be able to represent big hands in flops other than high cards ones, are not necessary at 25PLO imo. As played, you don´t have many alternatives other than getting it in with a little more than one PSB eff left.

July 2, 2013 | 9:02 p.m.

It´s a tough spot OTT, since if you bet I don´t think you can fold. If you bet like $10 and get shoved, you´ll be getting something around 3:1, and will have 30% equity vs a worst-case scenario range of sets and 2-pair, and will be ahead if you include TP + draws.

July 2, 2013 | 8:55 p.m.

I think you played the hand fine

July 1, 2013 | 11:25 p.m.

Agree. You have around 45% equity vs a value range of exclusively sets + 2-pair (not including dominated FDs). Call flop and hit an Ace or a club OTT.

June 30, 2013 | 1:54 p.m.

What's with your 3bet sizing, missclick or some sort of FPS? Just pot it imo. After that, just get the money in preflop. That's all you can ask with such a hand. Yes, you can be against a better AA**, but even so, you are never that far behind and there is tons of $ already in the pot, you have the best hand and it's PLO10, people can show up here with all kinds of weird stuff.

June 30, 2013 | 1:36 p.m.

Agree, but if he bombs a non-club turn and we don't fill up, just c/f? Or do we call and call non-club river? Is  a "typical 10PLO reg" barrelling 2 streets and bluffing a missed river or is his range skewed towards value (sets and T9) here?

June 30, 2013 | 1:28 p.m.

If villains are both passive as you mentioned, I can't think of a better line than b/f OTF


June 29, 2013 | 1:54 a.m.

BN: AltMeister06: $21.37
SB: gsiciliano: $10
BB: Pepinos10: $10
UTG: Wang CC: $11.05
HJ: gabrielper: $36.44
CO: mimixiong: $14.76
Villain (MP) is playing 37/25 with 78% cbet in 73 hands, no specific reads. BT in a 40/0 LP player.
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
gsiciliano was dealt A Q J 8
Wang CC folds, gabrielper raises to $0.33, mimixiong folds, AltMeister06 calls $0.33, gsiciliano calls $0.28, Pepinos10 folds
Is this a squeeze pre? I decided to flat since I was very likely to get called in two spots and have to play a MW pot OOP. I'd probably 3bet though if, instead of the 8h, I had something like a Kc or a Tc. Does it make sense?
Flop ($1.09) Q J 8 (3 Players)
gsiciliano checks, gabrielper bets $0.75, AltMeister06 folds
Kindda lost here. Considered leading, since It's a 3-way flop and a board that pretty much hits a lot of the preflop flatting range, what makes it less likely that villain will cbet. But I decided to check thinking that, despite the previous reasons, he would cbet anyway. Now what? We have blockers to the sets adn Qc*c**, so I expect his range to get it in OTF to be weighted towards T9** and nut FDs. But, if he doesn't 3bet/c the flop with the FD we're crushed vs a range of sets + T9.

June 28, 2013 | 11:51 p.m.

When the river card changes the nuts so much and the guy keeps betting like nothing changes, it kindda smells fishy. The thing is that it's kindda tough for you to represent either a flush or a boat with the line you took. 

June 27, 2013 | 1:57 a.m.

I believe I'd call with all my opening range from HJ, which most of the times is pretty tight.

June 27, 2013 | 1:46 a.m.

It's a cold 4bet with people yet to act, I think you should just fold...

June 27, 2013 | 1:23 a.m.

What if, instead of this hand, we had a really bad KK**, like KK72r?

June 25, 2013 | 3:06 a.m.

I play very low stakes and agree that understanding what kind of hands people play from different positions and knowing the std lines are the basis for winning at lower stakes. A PLO series that outlined those ideas would be awesome.

June 25, 2013 | 1:33 a.m.

It caught my attention in some PLO videos from Phil Galfond that he usually says "legitimate hand" or "legitimate range", when referring to a hand/range that would be "expected" for players to have in specific spots. Of course, those are just general guidelines and you have to adjust to player types, game dynamics and the imponderable.

But, as a player coming from NLHE, I still struggle with those ranges when trying to hand-read in PLO. What are "legitimate" ranges to open from each position, to flat IP or OOP, to 3bet, to call a 3bet, to 4bet and etc. I think that  a theory video on hand-reading in PLO would be great for us beginners in PLO.

Thanks in advance,

June 24, 2013 | 10:28 p.m.

I don't like 3-betting that hand, I'd either call or just fold it. But you probably already know that, since the main reason you gave for doing this was tilt. And Idk if that hand plays that terrible MW, but it surely plays way worse in 3-bet pots imo.

June 24, 2013 | 10:15 p.m.

Idk, but you don't HAVE to 3b AAxx every time, specially when it's not the greates AAxx and you are OOP. Usually, the roots of some postflop problems come from preflop play.

June 24, 2013 | 10:04 p.m.

I think cbetting is fine, and when he just calls, it's unlikely he has a lot of very strong hands, like sets and top-2 (with a gapped RD, like 678T), maybe bottom-2, with a low RD. He also have some TPs and maybe overpairs (JJxx, QQxx and maybe KKxx, but I believe AAxx would've 3b pre), 99xx, some draws like 75xx, 78xx.. 

OTT, some TP makes 2-pair, he might've picked a diamond draw, but his overall range doesn't improve that much. When he, again, just calls, I think top-2 are less likely (not completely excluded though). Barreling maybe is ok, since he can still call with the st8 draws, with a diamond draw and still some marginal made hands. 

OTR, some high RD, like TKJx, gets there, but it's a small part of his range. He can also improve to worse 2-pair than yours and, if he is a calling station, he can get stubborn with Axxx. And, since I don't think you have reasons to believe he would bluff his missed draws (w/o specific reads, I'd assume people tend more to passiveness on those stakes), I like putting the rest of the $ in rather than check/calling.

I'm also a small stakes PLO player transitioning from NLHE, so my range analysis may be very flawed, but I hope it helps...

June 24, 2013 | 9:59 p.m.

I haven't even accounted for the GS outs. I did call and villain had JhJs5c6h, bricked river obv

June 23, 2013 | 6:13 p.m.

If we 4bet-shove the flop, we are risking $36.32 to win $45.12, so you need around 44% equity (if I'm not mistaken). Against the range you assigned to him, which is the worst-case scenario, you have 45% equity, making the play BE. Since I don't think we can 100% exclude FDs and even some other draws or an eventual random spazz, I'd just go with it. And as Tom said properly, raise/folding all this equity is very bad imo.

June 23, 2013 | 3:49 a.m.

I'd fold too. His stats shows that he is a loose-passive player and if we assign a legitimate 3betting range for him with AA** plus some broadway rundowns (hands like AKQJ, KQJT, AKQT, AKJT and AQJT) we have a little more than 30% equity and our hand doesn't flop very well.


June 23, 2013 | 3:29 a.m.

BN: Lockerl71: $10.36
SB: ProPoker2523: $4.60
BB: CreepPT: $34.16
UTG: kobrapower: $12.30
HJ: Kherson2012: $25.61
CO: gsiciliano: $17.83
Villain in this hand is the BT, a classic nano stakes loose-passive player. No specific reads.
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
gsiciliano was dealt 9 Q Q J
kobrapower folds, Kherson2012 folds, gsiciliano raises to $0.30, Lockerl71 calls $0.30, ProPoker2523 calls $0.25, CreepPT folds
Flop ($1.00) 7 8 Q (3 Players)
ProPoker2523 bets $0.30, gsiciliano raises to $1.10, Lockerl71 calls $1.10, ProPoker2523 folds
Turn ($3.50) 7 8 Q 4 (2 Players)
gsiciliano bets $2.50, Lockerl71 raises to $8.96, and is all in

June 23, 2013 | 2:28 a.m.

Thanks Ibex, it helps a lot, since I'm transitioning from NLHE and still kindda figuring out preflop ranges.  Since the equities ruun so close, I guess there's less value 3betting from the blinds (OOP) and much more IP in PLO than NLHE.

June 19, 2013 | 2:27 a.m.

Thanks Tom, I´m a beginner at PLO and I´ve been struggling with 3-betting ranges and 3bet-calling ranges, but I´m working on it.

June 14, 2013 | 5:26 p.m.

Nice reasoning for leading instead of x/r, but I'm not sure if a smaller FD is folding to a x/r with this SPR at PLO10, unless it's a bare, bare, bare FD. 

June 14, 2013 | 2:54 a.m.

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