galgalta
68 points
that's "in order to make his folds / 0 ev calls indifferent between shoving or the other option"
so vs the hands that has a +ev call v our range we need to make sure they don't win more when shoving.
now do we think he just takes random folds all the time and shoves them? i don't think so. so i wouldn't worry about that. and just think about it the way Mato did. i would probably end up calling KK+ in game. maybe QQ,AKs . if i see that starts to happen more often i would start to worry about defending enough.
Oct. 7, 2020 | 3:55 p.m.
yea. great analysis.
i think it also depends on postflop stickyness.... if they fit or fold we wanna have some bluffs on high boards too..
esp if they are very passive pre and not gonna bluff us often
Oct. 7, 2020 | 3:43 p.m.
Oct. 7, 2020 | 3:33 p.m.
how are you guys going about studying preflop ranges? there are a lot of nodes to memorize and sometimes very mild adjustments. how do you guys go about it?
Oct. 7, 2020 | 9:55 a.m.
find someone to review hands with, talk about your thought process, try to understand where is it flawed. preferrably a coach. if you can't afford it then a friend at least somewhat competent
GL
Sept. 28, 2020 | 2:36 p.m.
"and overall being deep OOP have some incentive to call." what do you mean here?
and im interested to know. what hands did you call flop and now fold turn. what hand are you calling turn? and then what hands that called the turn fold the river?
Sept. 14, 2020 | 10:37 a.m.
would usually fold. don't see that being bluffed enough. expect to see TT and a K there a lot.
would probably bet bigger with your combo OTF. not sure about strat because of the nature of the sqz spot. you are probably more linear pre so betting range here is probably good. but in game i might bet this one higher, wanna get it in vs weaker fds, and wanna put 88-TT in a tough spot already.
Sept. 14, 2020 | 10:25 a.m.
yea i also didn't get it
June 16, 2020 | 12:25 p.m.
first you should consider how reliable this information is
what is your hand sample on him? if it's less than 300-500 hand i wouldn't start reading about these stats. surely not enough to start 3betting super light.
then it goes like this
if he opens wide and folds 60% on a decent sample then it also depends on how is he defending. if he let's say (exaggerating on purpose) that he defends this 40% by pure 4betting. then you lose money with your bluffs. because 60% on the time you win 4(BB+SB+open). and 40% you lose 9 (you 3b to 10bb and had 1BB already in the pot) so you lose 1.2bb everytime you 3bet a hand that can't defend against a 4b.
of course this is probably not the case, but i just wanted to emphasize that in order to answer this question we need to consider opp's response to our 3bets.
if let's say he 4bets only 20% of the time , folds 60% and calls 20% then:
20% of the time you lose 9 --- (-9)(0.2) = -1.8
60% of the time you win 4 --- (0.6)(4) = 2.4
and the 3rd possible scenario (the 3rd branch of the tree) are the times he calls and you guys play a 3bp. sometimes you'll win, sometimes he will. but all in all as long as you win back at least 8.4bb from that spot (the pot will be 20.5bb and both other scenarios win you 0.6bb, you risked 9bb by 3betting) then you are not losing money. if you can win back more than you are winning money by 3betting with your bluffs (hands that can't continue against further aggression i.e 4b)
so theoretically you can 3b bluff profitably in this case (if you win back that amount when opp calls the 3b)
now since you are the BB. you are last to act and no further resistance can come from any other player. so you have a choice. calling and seeing a flop, folding, or 3betting.
so basically you consider your options with your holdings , and the question is always what is the preferred action between all 3.
and of course. you should assume your opponent is somewhat attentive and is able to react to you actions. so if he sees you 3betting him too much (either by seeing some showdown that you had a hand that falls into a suspected very wide range category. or by looking at stats like you did)
in that case he will probably react to your exploit and change his strategy against you
sorry for it being so long. hope that this answer makes sense. and if anyone sees mistakes in logic. or has a better and shorter answer i'd love for you to comment and would be happy to understand the situation better myself
June 6, 2020 | 10:20 p.m.
yea you're right it's a large 3b sizing. and probably also too wide esp considering the sizings.
June 3, 2020 | 5:47 p.m.
didn't understand... why did you neglect the big but under pot cb size?
perhaps there is something wrong with my tree but here it is
and now the flop strategy is different
oop is capturing 62% pot share
May 31, 2020 | 10:59 p.m.
didn't look at everything... but from a glimpse at your (vs 1 raiser) ranges.
it's very good to begin with to play very tight, so you wouldn't have to deal with tough situations and i fully support that.
however, these ranges are not very good in general.
think about it like this. if i'm playing aginst you and i see that you only 3bet KK+, then i know pretty much exactly what do you have. and i can play perfectly aginst you. for example either i fold always when you 3b, or i call very few hands that has an option to stack you when they hit big on the flop.
and another thing is that these ranges are just too tight , you end up playing 6%~ of hands in ep's which is actually ok but you do it mostly by calling, a pretty defined (sort of obvious) range. and let your opponent see the flop and get a chance to hit "for free" to often. and also you let the other opponents a chance to squeeze, which will make your life even more difficult.
having said all that. when you play in a pool where players are not very attentive to what you are doing and are mainly playing their hands. and also usually playing too loose and passively then for sure tight is right and this strategy will most likely be making money
May 31, 2020 | 6:23 p.m.
hi. no idea about the HM3,
about the hand. i would sometimes x/r flop. denying equity from overcards, and getting called by worse quite a lot, on a board that hits me very good and i don't expect to be played back at too often.
as played i might call because im a calling station. but when a villian shows this much strength by betting 3 healthy bets on a board that is good for us. i rarely think he would have enough bluffs for us to call profitably, and JJ blocks a lot of his bluffing hands too
May 31, 2020 | 6:10 p.m.
first of all... as a general rule, if players are generally not folding too often to 3bets. i'll 3bet them tighter, and linear, and most importantly use a bigger sizing that maximizes my profit over they're mistake (calling bad hands v 3bets, esp out of position) so 3bet sizing here should be at least 0.18-0.2 i'd say. (people are also cold calling 3bets probably with a wide range of hands. which makes me wanna go even bigger) .
i like the flop cb. wouldn't mind a bigger sizing there too. i would never fold to that small raise by the mp. there are plenty of hands we are way ahead of he might be doing that with and even if he's ahead we have outs.
if i would have called and then BTN suddenly shoved after calling my cb. AND mp would have called the shove only then i'd start considering folding. and probably would end up folding.
if i called BTN shoved and MP folded i would probably end up calling but it's very marginal to call there imo.
May 31, 2020 | 6:05 p.m.
it's funny because i get to the opposite conclusion about the bluffing freq on the turn in the first hand... if we left our opp's range wide on the flop by betting smaller AND we don't think he's gonna get there with enough Kx AND this card being so good for the OOP's range , it means i do wanna bluff this spot very often and would probably end up overbluffing. probably for a small sizing also
May 30, 2020 | 6:52 p.m.
great video first of all
second, usually you write the higher nominated card first . e.g
T9s , 65s etc etc.
i think you can't assume he's not value shoving sets the last hands . obviously you have pretty much none of the sets yourself, your percieved range is largely skewed to overpairs and therefore sets are an easy shove.
having said that, i don't know if we can assume he has no bluffs here, and TT does block T9. but i guess i would still fold here. tough runout and that's it
May 29, 2020 | 9:36 a.m.
i'd say preflop too small. definitely a good combo though... i think flop starts being a bit dicey already. you did 4b not so huge so at this depth you are expected a bit of a looser range, but realistically, i think he very very rarely get folds here. i guess he calls something like
rough estimation:
88 - KK 36 combos
, ATs+ KQs, QJs - 20 combos
TJs, 98s, 87s, (he won't always 3bet these hands pre so 3 combos) - 3 combos
... i guess opp can fold 88-99, but he connects so damn well with this board. that i would probably be very careful cbetting. and be very picky with my bluffs.
as played i tend to agree with what was said. it's hard to rep full houses trying to get people off of flushes straights and trips. which i guess was what you were trying to do.
wouldn't advise it in general. people just don't like folding strong hands.
May 24, 2020 | 6:34 p.m.
first of all, all the players remaining need to defend more than that if they sometimes call , because playing with an uncapped range and usually IP, the 3bettor would defenitely have a situation where the he's not losing his entire 3b with his "bluffs" . of course, the more we 4b the less we need to defend.
about the resposibilty... i don't know i mean, what ranges do you see players usually o4b in these situations, i'd say 2-6 depending on positions. then you multiply it by the amount of players remaining and this is probably the part that they are defending aginst 3bettor being able to 3bet any two cards profitably (which is basically what we're trying to acheive by keeping the MDF)
in a vacuum i guess the best 4b bluff candidates are hands that don't make good calls and block opp's 5b range.
perhaps hands like
AQo, AJo, KQo, small suited Ax and Kx
realistically, I think it's more important for you to try and figure out exactly what is your opponent's (or pool's) strategy and should you worry about MDF in that spot at all.
May 24, 2020 | 6:12 p.m.
VPIP, PFR, 3b. 3b success. fold to 4b, call flop cb, turn cb, river cb, x/r flop, probe turn fold v turn dcb, WTD WTSD WWSF 5b, call BB v pos,
whatevery you think is relevant and where you think you might be leaking.
also filter for 2bp, 3bp. and maybe also 4b.
May 24, 2020 | 12:25 p.m.
yea agree with dnegs98. please add a report with some stats
May 24, 2020 | 11:16 a.m.
Why do you think 1/3 would be a preferred option?
how does villians flop xb looks like on the sim will probably answer that question.
would be nice if you'd share the tree, villians flop node and your turn
May 16, 2020 | 8:47 a.m.
i would also tend towards cbetting. the reason is like you said denying opp of equity.
if we check. and have no real idea about opp's tendencies. we aren't expected to win a whole lot with our holding. rarely will it check through and we will show the winner. betting all those weak holdings becomes dicey when our opponents notices it and starts raising flop or floating to bluff a later street more often than he should which results us losing more money than if we would have checked.. but as people said already. if we don't expect our opponent to ever be making such adjustments. i prefer just betting ourselves and folding our opponent most of the time out of 6 outs and play turns
May 16, 2020 | 8:31 a.m.
your'e a born teacher. that's a super cool quality.
nice video
May 7, 2020 | 1:58 p.m.
do you think there is value for 6-max and tournament players to play/study HU?
perhaps to get more range sensetive or smt like that?
April 3, 2020 | 11:59 p.m.
much better when you go into detail.. we don't need to see what you do, but understand why you do what you do. good video
March 10, 2020 | 4:35 a.m.
very good video. keep it up
March 6, 2020 | 8:54 a.m.
24:10 you accidentally put 5c instead of the 5d and therefore the difference in OOP leading range and IP betting range OTR.
can you explain why the fact that chip value is not linear makes the IP wanna put less money ?
Feb. 14, 2020 | 10:46 p.m.
it can be relevant if he puts 44-66 to 3b/5b range if your bluff range has those as kickers . K6s-K4s etc. obv your 4b freq is key here.. if you won't fold enough to 5b i have no business 5b bluffing you.
i agree regarding the postflop ability of those hands post, but still they are a part of a range, of let's say 18%, that has good equity against your call3b range in that spot
smt like that 44+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KJo+
Feb. 7, 2020 | 2:08 p.m.
on the chirpy hand. if you call JJ+ AK he needs you to fold 45% of the time to breakeven.
if you call TT+ AK a bit more.
TT+ AQ significantly less.
it's a hand that has nice equity against the calling range and therefore makes a nice bluff... if you know a player's 4b bluff range are hands that contain mostly broadway cards, as projected from the range you put for xeliqq in the previous hand, then 44 blocker wise is pretty nice. will not work as well against someone who 4b the small suited Kx, Qx for instance.
really nice read man! good luck
March 24, 2022 | 1:56 p.m.