frenchfish

Just want to check with the group first as there is lot of participants allready, althought not all are verry active. Then will take care of all  thelate requests  in few hours.

Ok, i just added everyone that posted in this thread and few players who sent me pms. Just a couple of things, i want to mention, first off the title "official" is  only used to diferentiate this "study group" thread from the other i made a little earlier, nothing more.

Second thing is i ve got offered a great NLH staking deal that i believe will boost my income significantly, therefore as much as i loved playing and learning PLO i will go back to  play NLH 90 % of the time and therefore will not be verry active in the chan.

I will still be there  to keep adding people and be used as a relais if any problems may come up, however if someone more involved want to take charge of the group just let me know.

done

I m a 31  years old frenchman leaving in Italy. I played poker professionaly for the past 7 years and i  recently switched from NLH to PLO. I usualy plays 0.5/1 and 1/2 PLO. I m extremly motivated and aim to be one of the top PLO players on pokerstars.it!!

Ok seems we are enough to start something  so i m going to start a new thread where members can present themself and sign up for the study group.

I m up for this, same here  btw only looking for  a serious group, so probably need a few rules and a good basis to try to make it as eficient as it can be, but given the comunity on run it once i m sure it will be fine . Let see if more members are interested then start this topic?

Here is the diference with my stats; I consider myself super tight oop yet i play almost double of hands in the SB and BB, your WTSD is 3% lower and your turn agg is much lower than mine. btw i m a std tag 25/17/af 4 with 8% 3bets. hope that help point out possible leaks, althought i m far from an expert and i would take this analogy with a giant grain of salt.

(@ 37.20) Don t want to be result oriented here but does the fact that the 3 bettor has 0% 3 bet over 145 hands change your analysis completely and we can now just fold? It seems fairly obvious to me but since you did not even considered it, i wonder if i m being to nitty here?

Great read and it conforted me  in my decision to switch over, i m sure there is lot of regs who are still "erring" (as you say) in a lot of spots and the fact that i m a hard worker will probably help in the long term maybe even more efficiently than in NLHE. Tx for taking the time to reply.

Would you think using a software like InsuredPlay would be a good think for a player who can t take big swing verry well or the number of x you go all inx by the fee o this kind of product is not compensating the pain and the B game that follow?? I use this currently for NLHE and pay around 1buy in of fee every month for around 80k hands, for me it worth it a lot even thought i ran 6k above EV since using it (lol), but the otherway around would kind of feeel devastating while the current result only bother me just slightly. But if we go 3x as much all in in PLO (number pulled out right from my ass) i obv don t think it worth it. Any thoughts on that ??

I know this is an old thread, but since i m thinking more and more about playing PLO (snowie effect...). I was wondering how diferent the variance was from NLHE, i mean how different is the ratio between the ALL in EV and  the coolers compare to this same ratio in  NLHE?? In tuitively i would think the ALL in ev ratio compare to the coolers ratio  is much greater in omaha compare to NLHE. Amirite, ?sorry for the bad english and hope i got myself understood.

Tx James, definitly a great video and things to keep in mind when playing against a verry though oponent who use this strategy. However i think it would be foolish not to use a mix strategy by calling some of the weaker part of the top of our range against most oponents at small stakes and even midstakes , lot of times calling 3 bets oop with TT,JJ AQ is > foldin or 4bets. Seems totally counter intuitive to use this kind of hands in our 4bet folding range when we could use other garbage to to that (unless vilain calls a lot of 4bet obv). Yes our range is kind of face up but it still pretty strong (hard to exploit with weak ranges) and all we need is to overcome a -300/bb 100. I realise my long rant is not perfect GTO and not based solely on range vs range, but the smaller the 3 bets are the more i would  aim for an explotative style over GTO unless those vilains are really really good.

22 minutes!!! the sweet spot for any power point theory video :D

Lot of great interesting spots in this vid and you make a fantastic job of going trough all the possibilites and "what if" on those spots. On top of that i love the fact that you are paussing and commenting before actions and clearly don t know the outcome of the hands, it doesn t leave room to justify a potentially bad play like i ve seen on soo many videos. Thank you!

Great vid as usual !! but for he love of god, could you please stop moving your mouse around as you speak :D

10.58: top left (109$) , any reasons for not considering reshiping with the 77 vs 20 something bb stack?

btw I like how you played the AQhh early on.

50.10 top left (109$), was verry sceptical about your fold and the verry tight range you assign to vilain,
especially given how much you seems to 3 bet in those spot, but even after running number against (88+,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo) the plays is only making a verry marginal profit, so i kinda like the argument that follows to justify fold.

Overall great vid, love this format

Tx for the prompt answer and sorry to have asked a question that i noticed too late was allready asked...Just want to add that this format was really great and look forward to the rest of the series .

Hi Sean, only half way trough but great vid soo far, just one question: "what do you mean when you say that we might realise even more than 100% of our equity in the 7-2o example (The R include also time we make our oponent fold better equity?)"

After listening to the 2+2 pokercast and the great sale pitch of Gandolf ;) , i decided that your vids would be the first i would watch when joining, and frankly it s exatly what i expected and it got my mind to go soo many directions to the point of mental exhaustion lol, which is good, so thank you.

On a side note and this is a matter of opinions but on the 88 hand, i think his river bet sizing is kind of telling and that he willl be pretty unbalance in this spot and weighted toward hands that you beat, and as good of a player as you can be it s always incredibly hard to fold river spot like this ingame when you get a mirrion to one even tought in insight you supose to always fold .

Hi Steve ,first thank youfor this vid and can t wait for the next episodes to come !!Don t want to sound picky but as you asked, one way who could improve the viewing experience is by not mooving the cursor soo much as you speak , it doesn t do anything for our visual pleasure ;D

Ifeel like in this specific example it could potentially be really bad to have a check raising range against a lot of vilains at low stakes, not to go into too much details and stating the fairly obvious, most important for me when building a range is why i am building it, how is my range gonna be the optimal defense against vilain tendancies.Wheter you want to play the exploitative or GTO the same concept applies.

I d like to see a bigger sizing on turn to get as much value as soon as possible in the hand, if he s willing to call 2 barell i feel vilain would probably also call a little bit lesss than 2/3 pot and it allow to expand a bit his futur cheeck calling range on river giving him better pot odds to bluff catch. As played and with no history or dynamic i think the range of value you are targetin willl fold a lot but it also feel kinda weak to check behind, i think this spot is unclear without any specific read that vilain is ready to hero call sometimes in leveling spots (so in my book, grey area with no specific reads so no big mistake eitherway). Last thing game theory wise it seems that most of our range in this spot should go all in or check, but if you are playing the leveling/exploitative game against this oponent i think your bluff should go half pot and your value full pot , not the other way around.