fiveplus5is55

I love your story , and I am glad you have had the willpower to stay with the game you love. I am sure you can get back to playing high stakes again one day .

What a wonderful trip , and such beautiful mountain scenery , so much I don’t know about Europe!

Now that you have climbed up those mountains , I am sure your graph will follow suit by climbing as high as those snow capped mountains in the background .

I just wanted to comment on these tells. Interesting though process by the way. I would like to hear more from other players.
About the tell. I was playing live recently well. Villain was holding bottom set in a 3way 3bet pot and there was tons of action. I had an overpair, and cbettet and a 70bb player shoved all in and villain sighed as well, and sighed again and sighed a few more times and made the call. I put him on a flushdraw and shoved over the top. He was chasing all kind of draws the day before.

When he showed me the set, i was angry at him for faking it. He just shrugged his shoulders on my comment . But maybe he was just worried of running into a higher set as he was 6 stacks down the last day .
So maybe the J9 guy was running bad and smelled nuts again haha.

Where i play regs make 3bets quite large from the blinds.
I open BTN 2bb and i often face 8 to 10bb 3bets.
Do we flat small pockets here? Which suited connectors we flat ? I am opening 65% from BTN.

I don’t think calling 3bets with small pockets especially oop is a good idea.
I would call it ip vs certain regs and if i am above 100bb deep, but oop ?

I would still 3bet preflop, but i like your reasoning. 160bb i like to 3bet lots IP, so i want AA as well. Is the lag capable of cold 4bet bluffing or cold calling 3bet oop with wrong hands?

I think he goes for “thin value”. He puts you on 66,77,88,99,TT.
You have like no 5es in your preflop range, and only some Jacks , which you would probably bet the flop with.
I also think he cbets most Jx on the flop. At least smallish.

Somehow i put him on QQ,KK. Does he always make it to 5bb preflop? Might be an other indication for QQ,KK. He could also show up with JJ,33, or Jxs with weaker kicker like JTs. But all in all, thats about as many combos as QQ,KK. So you beat half of his valuebets, and he will still have the occasional bluff .

Were you thinking of folding? I would have a hard time folding QQ here, and KK kind of maeh.

I choose to cbet the flop because i think MP has some 88,99,tt,JJ and not many draws. So i just wanted to fold out that range. I wasn’t really worried with bb, as i think his range is weak and i could bluff him off .
On good tables i fold 22-55 preflop unless a fish is in the blinds.

Okay, thx man. Better so i hope.

I have never really set up 3barrel All-In in non-3way pots .
But with your explantion its sounds good.What hands do we choose to bluff with then?
If we do this sizing with parts of our range, we certrainly need to split and balance our ranges with different turn sizings.

77,44 and 22 and what else with the “set up shoving river “ line?

We wouldn’t play Ax that way right? Or AA? How would we play Fds?

We do call off QQ to a shove right?

Your 3bet range is pretty wide, also given the position.If others know that and this “active reg” ist really opening that many hands even EP , you will certainly run into a cold4bet bluff sometimes.

What rundown would we bluff shove the river? I would bet the turn if i knew which are profitable river spots to blufff shove, and because i am not sure, i check behind.As i point out in my Thread, i don’t want to come into this marginal situation where i fear exposing myself to “mistake tilt”.

In Villains case, should he even have a shoving range here on the turn? His most likely hands, TT,JJ,QQ on the river need some protection with his stronger hands too , or else he is forced to call with his bluffcatchers quite a bit on the river.

I have read it already.I even bought a 4 hour session with him, but that must have been 2011 i think. I can’t remember, did he explicitly talk about this “mistake tilt” in his book ?If so, i have to reread it.
Why would you check the turn? X/call him off if no flush hits the river?

The ranges i gave myself preflop before were not entirely right.
iP i would not 3bet Aqss as i dont give villain much room to call my 3bet and i don’t want to stack off or fold to a 4ber without reads. But OOP i definitely 3bet AQss. With KQss and Ajss i am not sure, but i guess as well.
He might iso the fish wide and calls IP to my 3bet with Lower connected suited face cards which i dominate.

In this particular case, i had AA. (Kinda silly to post an AA hand thats why i didnt want to tell^^).

I did shove this river to make him call AQ and the occasional set(tt, maybe QQ). I assume that he would raise them before the river most of the time though.

AA doesn’t look like a clear shoving hand anymore.But what else can we do here? Check fold ?

I have this mental issue that i dont want myself to get caught as a nit and loose on value.
I think a gto approach could give me the tools to prevent my inner balance going astray. Spots where i am unsure about can cause slight tilt if they go wrong, which accumulates over time. I am not result orientated in spots where i feel comfortable, but i am in spots like these above.
So checking down the river with the best hand, or check folding or shoving and mucking , all those outcomes would stir up my mental balance.

hmm technically, AA,KK doesnt have the odds vs my possible range to call my turn shove, but i think he calls it more often than he shoves river with it given certain runouts.
he only needs to call few of his aces and kings to make this shove profitable. i dont think he 3bets tt also.

yeah aq makes sense kind of especially in spades. those guys are just so readable.

thx guys. Runitonce has by far the most active and constructive poker forum.

@preflop, bb i 100% call, but you guys also always call sb as well? what would be your sb calling range then, isn't too small then?

excellent work! it is pretty much what i expected. Thx

Weird, when we c-bet our entire range flop small and therefore have to check back turn mostly.
I just don't think its good here to bet flop and turn, big chunk of our range doesn't want to do that and that leads us to c-bet small, check back turn, overbet spots river, which is really unusual.
I prefer, like you pointed out, to check back flop and go from there with potential over bets.

@sneeze : i also agree to that. in game i had strong feeling of villain having AQ , which he actually end up having.
But the reason why i did not bet turn, was me thinking he could fold AQ to bet turn ,shove river (which he should, cause seriously , i would not bluff that way or play a worse hand like that ) and then isolate myself toward 7x.

But , I should have just followed my instincts and play the mind game. HIM x/r here, was telling me, "i will call you down anyway, so i might just play it fast to confuse you, induce sth, get more money vs some of you range and hell GET it over with !"
So after he checked the turn, ( also had feeling he will keep barreling the 7x) , it got to be air or the AQ .

So, if you think villain is able to play this hand "wrong", and you got soul reads on him, try to maximize right now , and don't feel bad when you were wrong, cause very often you are not.

Sry double post

i disagree that he need to jam worse for value. he has enough sets, flushes and straights to shove.
So considering he shoves all of those, he could have sth like 10-13 value shoving hands already. By shoving also 2 pairs, he gets to about 20 value combos, and i don't see how he can balance this with bluffs on this river rundown.

considering that jx are some possible bluffs in villains range, we also block it.

yes turn is little level battle, hugely depending on reads, as i think neither played here Gto (my cbet flop and his raise ).
In game i gave him AQ some percentage of the time, but thought i am better off x/c it on the river (assumed he bets big when i check behind turn). would loose some money vs Aq maybe, but safe vs his traps and maybe induce a weird bluff river.

What happened was, he checked again on a dry river board to me, what 's our river sizing now?

Kind of agree with you. Once we c-betting flop, some of our range wants to check back turn ( KK,QQ maybe jj and lower, Aq and lower ) which leads to weird spots:
1. We could make an other smalish cbet turn , but we kind of isolate ourselves then with a big junk of our range vs stronger hands.
2.we check back turn entire range. but on the river, we need to bluff shove some river bets from villain, to balance our AA,7x. Getting kind of weird then. Or overbet when he checks again....

so yes, checking back flop seems the better choice, and use over bets turn or river in a balanced way.

lets say we check back flop, how would you make your sizing when villain checks again to us? what hands would we use to bluff over bet with?