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Good evening teunuss

At 35:25 Table 1, where you have As5s, on a board of 3hJd8d, why do you go for a sizing of 30 in a pot of 25, as you're unblocking a lot of his conitnuing range? Plus this particular flop gives the villain a lot of continues. What's the upside of choosing overbet with your specific hand? Won't a c-bet of 25% get you a fold in case he doesn't have a continuing hand? Like 76s or K10o. and even if the villain calls the small c-bet, you still can check down and win some times. But if he calls the overbet, your hand is in terrible shape to continue on most turns?

Really curious to know your thought process in the spot and hopefully getting to learn an advance line of thinking. :-)

Hey!!! So I have a question for the (KJCC hand) on Table 1 around the 12th minute. Let's say I have AQ in that hand. Now I am someone who always bets (40pc) on the flop, 50pc on Q repeating. I never slow play my hands strongest hands.

So if I am holding KJcc, I always bet the turn with the thought process of making 10x, 77s, 88s, 99s fold. Just in case I get called, I bet all As, 9s, 2-7s, Ks. About 60-75pc of pot. Check on Js. And even if I get called after not improving, and losing the hand, I am okay as it ensures that my made hands get paid. Now I don't exactly know the solver math in this case, but my instinct says, that with my strategy, I mostly make a lot of better hands fold on the turn with KJcc, sometimes lose the pot on showdown, which eventually helps me win big when I actually have it.

Would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on my strategy. Thanks.

Thanks for the reply. Actually these are games where one has to maintain a certain VPIP to keep getting access, for which one has to widen their range. So keeping that in mind, I thought this hand could/should be played.

It would be great if you could share your reasoning for checking back the flop. What kind of combos would you bet the flop with apart from QQ with SDFD? If you know that the population is such that they can stack off with pair and SD/FD, would you still check?

Thanks again...

yes, I realised it later while I was reviewing my session.

After you bet 380 in a pot of 425, which is a pretty strong bet, the Villain still shoved on you, and that too another 310. It's highly unlikely that he's trying to throw you off a strong hand. I think he's putting you on a hand stronger than a set. And still shoving. That means he is really really strong. Had you checked the river, and he would have bet 80-100pc of the pot, you could have contemplated a call. But calling a check-raise and shoving on your almost pot sized bet on this board, it wouldn't be too smart of the Villain to bluff. 

A couple of suggestions, and please correct me if i am wrong, as i too am learning:

1. I don't think by betting 380 in 425 on such a board with a set is going to be very profitable. I'm sure your intention is not to convert your hand into a bluff and make the Villain fold a straight. You are never really getting called by a worse hand. 

2. Secondly, the whole discussion about betting the flop. Though if you are an aggressive player, betting the flop is great. But considering you took a passive line, and considering the Villain is an aggressive player, you could continue with the passive line on all streets. Because check raising the turn on that board will make him fold most hands that can bet on the river too for value, and his bluffs too. Also, another purpose that it'll serve is that he will make a note against you that you mix up your game and slow play big hand at times. Which can help you get cheap showdowns with marginal hands as his bluffing frequency against you will go down. 

Please feel free to tell me if i am out of line here with my analysis. :-)

TheLove_Below: If you bet call with a hand like Kh Jh, and the river is a 3d or other bricks, and the Villain bets 70pc pot on the river, you'd be forced to fold a lot of times, and become exploitable with the best hand. Isn't it? 

Totally agree with you here. Though Villain almost never has JTo here. He's never checking the flop there. Though I would personally never 4 bet shove with zero equity hands, i personally think it's not a bad play considering Villain mostly has draws here and is never calling. He knows my 4 bet shoving range is pretty nutted. However just in case he has a made hand or he calls with his monster combo draw and we lose the pot, we are making him and the other players against whom I play regularly, believe that we are capable of 4 bet shoving with trash too and not just nuts. And it's something that I can exploit later and get more value out of nutted hands. What do you think?

Thank you so much TheLove_Below for your advice and sound reasoning. Looking forward to discussing more hands with you in future. Cheers!!!

Thank you. But do u think my thought process is right in flatting the turn with Qh Jh but reraising big with Ah Xh other non pair draws. With my hand i don't really want a  fold from him. 

Hey.. totally valid point. Its just that if didnt  have a queen I would have jammed it for sure. Because he is folding a lot there to my shove. Because I knew that not only my pair is good I have a great draw as well, and I knew he would bluff a lot of rivers I decided to check behind and may be portray a naked draw and hence call a bluff and make more money. Do you think maybe check calling my hand would be more profitable than shoving. Im totally shoving Kh 10h. May be  even Ah 10h. Just that I didnt wanna make him fold a drawing where my made hand can improve too? Does that make sense or am I completely out of line here?

I think you raising from SB, with BB left to act on such a wet board makes a big difference. Had you been in BB, after SB folding, you might raise the CO a lot, and the CO could raise you back with sets and top 2. But in this case, I think that the CO is either flatting you with sets and top two, or if he thinks you have a monster draw, he is re-rasing you big, not just another 140 on top. Your very well-disguised flat on such a board makes him believe that you don't have KQ, and gives him the licence to continue betting. Because from SB, you are almost never raising the flop with A10, J10. Also, you are 3-betting pre-flop with JJ, 10, AA. So you can mostly never have a boat there. I think at best what he has there is KQ, which you are not scared of. And depending on the player profile and your history with him, he can also have a lot of semi-bluffs that you beat. I personally feel it was a call. Let me know what you think?