dat_ass

Okay so recently had a discussion on skype with a mate;

YYY: people have huge misunderstandings of what unexploitable means in game theory
YYY: I think the best way to explain it is: think of two gto bots
YYY: when they play vs each other
YYY: they don't breakeven in every single individual situation
YYY: they have a give and take relationship
YYY: he has a +ev spot sometimes and you'll have that same +ev spot sometime in the long run
] YYY: you don't call with some % to stop him from making "auto profit" that's nothing to do with game theory
YYY: you maximise your ev
YYY:

<<< we would test all possible frequencies vs an opponent reacting perfectly to us (so he knows our strat)
and then pick which one is the most +ev
XXX: but surely that
XXX: would just result in using the unexploitable frequencies anyway
XXX: the only thing up in the air is betsize choices

Basically, I thought if we ignore betsizes then GTO play would just result in choosing the exact correct folding frequencies and value to bluff ratios in every spot (which are a function of betsize anyway).
What my friend is saying is that some spots you will have to defend such that he can profitably bluff with any two cards because trying to defend more will be -EV

Help please, very confused.

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NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($194)
BB ($100)
UTG ($315)
[color=red]Hero ($200)
CO ($200)
[/color]BTN ($200)

Dealt to Hero A:diamond: J:club:

fold,Hero raises to $6, CO raises to $19, ]fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $13

FLOP ($41) Q:spade: 8:club: A:spade:

]Hero checks, CO bets $19.58, Hero calls $19.58

TURN ($80.16) Q:spade: 8:club: A:spade: A:heart:

Hero checks, CO bets $38.68, Hero calls $38.68

RIVER ($157) Q:spade: 8:club: A:spade: A:heart: 6:spade:

Hero checks, CO bets $122 (AI)

So villain is one of the more aggro regs I've seen so far at 200nl zoom when it comes to 3betting. He is 24/21, 3bets 12% overall, 14% from co and 3bets over 9% vs opens from any position, even utg. He rarely flats, overall cal open is 7%. This is over 1k hands. I feel like 4bet/calling is too spewy since I havent seen him 5bet yet. Dont think 4bet/folding is an option either as we are wasting a good hand imo, would much rather do that with something like KTs. So I think flatting is our only option even though it's obv not going to be super easy to play.
I dont think flop and turn should be played otherwise without reads which I dont have, anyone disagree?
As for river. I guess I should fold since I have what I look like I have and he might not expect me to fold any Ax here. I can also have AQ at least, but no flushes imo.
Fold, or call because top-of-range-kinda-spot-I-guess?

NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($519)
Hero ($259)
UTG ($551)
UTG+1 ($247)
CO ($214)
BTN ($683)

Dealt to Hero K:spade: T:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to $5, fold, fold, Hero calls $3

FLOP ($11) Q:spade: 5:heart: T:club:

Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero calls $7

TURN ($25) Q:spade: 5:heart: T:club: T:heart:

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($25) Q:spade: 5:heart: T:club: T:heart: J:heart:

Hero bets $17, CO raises to $47

Villain is a winning reg. 22/18, opens 27% from co. Cbet by street 71, 52, 63.
I assume we should be vbetting river, but im not sure if there's enough worse hands that will call. I don't think we can bet/call either... C/c river instead to let him bluff, or even vbet worse?

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NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
Hero ($200)
BB ($211)
UTG ($104)
UTG+1 ($207)
CO ($161)
BTN ($215)

Dealt to Hero A:spade: K:club:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $42, BB calls $24

FLOP ($84) 8:club: J:spade: 6:diamond:

Hero bets $31, BB calls $31

TURN ($146) 8:club: J:spade: 6:diamond: 6:spade:

Hero ?? 127 behind

Villain is 20/15, 3bets 4% overall, 7% bvb over 2k hands. I didnt notice his low 3bet in game, does this make calling > 4betting?

As for postflop, I assume flop is fine. On the turn I feel like jamming serves no purpose, c/c because we think he floats a lot on flop to jam turns, or c/f because he's kinda tightish pre and we don't really have further reads.