bronxsystem

being so deep why cant we just use AK for its blockers and 4b/f. flatting could be better depending how he plays post. but if he views your flat as strong range then I rather 4b.

not completely sure but I think that logic cant be to far off

play a lot

Sydney? if so ive been reg in those games for years (:

easy fold without reads ott. Some people do play AQ KQ like this but not the majority.

2/3 strange limit is this in Australia?

easy fold btw. you have big leak by calling these without a read.

limp calling pre in live games can be fine in right situations.

yeah I just grumpy sorry.

however disagree with you saying its hard to get to showdown and calling/raising ott vs raise is for sure spewy.

@fivebetbluff I don't owe you anything. If hes just looking for line check and the majority of ppl agree with what someone says then he can feel better about hand.

don't get why some people feel so entitled.

if they are fish we should just bet flop for sure if not c/r

but maybe mtt different than cash.

seems like a fold to me but I don't play many MTT. Curious why you didn't bet flop though. were you c/r?

don't like it.

raise pre

call flop

I wouldn't c/r flop having Ax though

that's good logic though. If you think he has more air combos compared to made hand combos than checking ott is better if he bets river often. However Its not going to be the case very often. Usually they have ton of TP 2nd pair udnerpairs, overpairs and are to passive to make checking turn better.

thanks I will get it out.

@omgimsexy
I was trying to say this " So we also need to find a betsize that maximizes the expectation of our strategy. "

using word middling hand doesn't really make sense. just bet whatever doesn't fold out too many worse hand combos.
if shove gets called byy 1 combo vs betting 2/3 pot getting called by 9999999 combo clearly bet 2/3

need just under 25% equity right so plug in range and see if you can call probably a fold thought looks super strong. I didn't look at stats

this board just smacks them to hard betting is pointless and if you face a ship I think you have to fold so you don't get to realise your equity. I rather just c/c try to bink.

the 3b pre is fine

flop whatever turn easy fold

bet turn
as played probably flat river > ship. To ship he needs to be a pretty big fish.

your questions bottom of hand. yeah he can have QJ and yeah he can check sets ott. However a large % of time they c/r sets on that board

super easy fold

most of those are pretty simple like the heart one or a jam on Ax. he has no air otr on :heart: and he wont turn Kx into bluff

anyway I thought about it and think my c/r is awful >< because sizing to large and also majority of his Qx cbet. QT QJ have gutters and people tend to auto cbet Kxxr boards as pfr where I play. so ott he has a lot of KQ QQ some AK KK maybe a few back door FD AJhh

Can I ask why you prefer call > c/r?
imo he doesn't have many TJ in his range he might have few combos but he the type to probably limp it pre. So if I assume he doesn't he has TJ means he unlikely reraies me off my equity ott when I c/r since he scared of straight. flush only comes in about 1 in 4 right so I only get to bluff 20% of time and I know im most likely losing 80% unimproved.

I sort of think my play is ok if he doesn't auto cbet air. If he cbets AQ QJ then my play is very bad. I think he is the type to auto cbet now =/ so when he bets on not many Qx combos

tricky spot but after thinking about it for ages he has to be pretty bad to bluff otr. also lower sets can be discounted since not all combos are 3b pre.

hard to think of a value hand here other than KK. In game I think I call. Usually they bet according to hand strength if he had straight he wouldn't ship he would of done some lame bet or c/c

the limp pre isn't that bad if you think about it. Its still profitable. They iso me with weaker range. If I open it will go 6 way I have no FE in bloated pot and Axx Ax is always in my perceived range so really just hoping for Jxx. limp pre is sorta fine but i guess raising is better because doesn't always go 6 way bla bla.

Post flop the turn saying 3 people left to act behind is irrelevant because they checked ott they never ever would check TJ Kx there or at least very rarely.

However yeah the c/r probably could be bad. C/C is an option but i need to bluff something otr imo because hes no tbetting ott with air my AJ there does poorly equity wise vs his betting range.

I just wonder if he has enough combos that fold. Starting to think its bad to c/r because a lot of his AQo combos cbet otf and QQ KQ could easily play the hand this way.
maybe JJ folds that's about it

i like bluff raising since imo decent players flat a ton vs the raise so wont be forced to fold out your equity a ton of the time.

I think flat because if you raise and get shipped on your in awkward spot. not sure if its best option. the reg wont try bluff fish otr imo so river not to difficult to play.

Just my 2 cents

I wonder if he c/r 2pair. nitty old man probably just leads out large otf. I fold ott without proper odds as silly as it sounds. if you put 2pair in his range then obv call the 8 is pretty crap card also.

tough spot. Can you please post result or pm me im really curious because if he shows up with some crap 2 pair or AA it changes how I assign ranges in these spots.