bigpeachclub
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I feel like I run into this situation a lot in both live and online, particularly in multiway. The general line goes ...
1. Postflop checks around to me (last to act) and I Cbet and 2+ people call.
2. The turn provides me with no further equity so I decide to take a free card when it checks to me.
3. The river does not complete draws so OOP villain fires a sizeable bet and I fold a junk or marginal hand.
Example hand:
Preflop 100bb effective
UTG+1, HJ limp in.
Hero at BTN raises to 3bb with JhTh
SB calls, BB folds, limpers both call
Flop comes Td, 2h, Qc (15bb pot)
Checks to me and I decide to fire a CBet 1/2 pot due to disconnected board texture and my backdoor draws (BDFD, three to straight). Everyone calls.
Turn comes 2c (45bb pot)
Checks around to me. Because I gain no equity, I decide to check back for the free card.
River comes Qd (45bb pot)
SB fires out for 25bb. Everyone else folds. Hero?
In general I feel like this line of flop aggression followed by turn checkback for a free card gets easily exploited on river by more aggressive players. I think a lot of players read turn checkbacks after flop action as weakness and try to steal river pots OOP and often winning mainly because they had the first opportunity to show aggression. I'm put in a spot where I need to make a thin call. Whenever the info is available to me, I feel like I'm often wrong. I called down too light, or I folded to a bluff, or I raised into a monster.
Has anyone struggled with these situation? What helped?
Thoughts:
1. I could checkback the flop to hide hand strength and consider turn delayed cbet or even raise
2. I could "check strong" on the turn more with borderline hands like second pair? I feel like I try to do this but the situations come up so rarely
3. I could double barrel with a wider range on the turn, but this seems dangerous esp in these multiway pots.
Jan. 3, 2023 | 11:14 p.m.
Yeah I can see the check strategy working out the more I think of these MW pots.
If checked and say BU bets out 3/4 pot (and say everyone else folds), is this a raise or call? I don't think I ever fold to a float.
My worry with just calling is that there's a decent chance I fold on the turn to a second barrel, but my worry with raising is that I have low fold equity except against worse FD.
Dec. 25, 2022 | 5:57 p.m.
Yeah thinking back I think my only fold equity was against a worse FD or gutshot, many of which I'm not convinced villain would call.
Dec. 25, 2022 | 5:51 p.m.
First time posting :) I tried to format with a hand history input website but would take suggestions for how best to post live hand histories
8-handed 1/3 with $6 straddle
Players are about $400 effective
UTG straddle on for $6
PokerStars Hand #1671918098589: Hold'em No Limit (1/3) - 2022/12/24 00:00:00 WET
Table 'WinningPokerHud' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BTN villain (400 in chips)
Seat 2: SB (400 in chips)
Seat 3: BB (400 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG (400 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG1 (400 in chips)
Seat 6: LJ (400 in chips)
Seat 7: HJ (400 in chips)
Seat 8: CO Hero (400 in chips)
SB: posts small blind 1
BB: posts big blind 3
UTG: straddles 6
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to CO Hero [Th 9h]
UTG1: folds
LJ: folds
HJ: folds
CO Hero: raises 14 to 20
BTN villain: calls 20
SB: folds
BB: calls 17
UTG: calls 17
FLOP *
[Kh Ts 5h]
BB: checks
UTG: checks
CO Hero: bets 50
BTN villain: raises 100 to 150
BB: folds
UTG: folds
CO Hero ???
I ended up shoving raising to 330
In retrospect, have a few questions/comments
1. Not sure I should have CBET into multiway. I was feeling like I had a good double barrel setup with 14 outs to improve, but check calling the probable BTN villain bet could have been better.
2. Looking back I think the raise from the villain was very strong and I probably had small fold equity with my raise.
RaoulFlush thank you makes a lot of sense
Dec. 26, 2022 | 6:57 p.m.