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Do you not have a flatting range at 20bb IPO? What about flatting the AJo hand at the beginning of the video vs foster18? 

Look at Will Tiptons book if your interested in a discussion on the "theory" of block betting.

I could go for some toy gaming every week personally! Great video Ben.

So on 11:30 you said that when our range is polarized we want to make our opponent indifferent but I think we want to make our opponent indifferent no matter what our range composition. 

On the first hand. The ATs hand do you usually bet this small on this type of board with your utg range? I would bet a lot closer to pot personally. 

At 17:45 top middle if you were checked to on the river would you bluff there with middle pair at any sort of reasonable frequency? I just assume if you were checked to that a pair of 9s just has little showdown value.  I always find these spots somewhat awkward myself. I know in holdem I dont have much of a bluffing range when i bet this flop and check back the turn and my opponent checks to me on the river. That is just an exploitable adjustment to the fact that villian usually has "something" and it looks like you dont so you generally get looked up a lot. In PLO however ranges are essentially wider and you can be repping a lot more hands on a larger range of runouts. Im just learning PLO so trying to learn how to approach these type of spots. 

Maybe a little bit contradictory to what I just said but when im in villians shoes I probably end up c/f the river an exploitable amount because I just assume that people arent bluffing in that spot enough and I am usually pretty capped when I check that river. So maybe it isnt a bad bluff spot vs thinking players.

Ok ya i agree pretty brilliant range analysis. You may proceed with the sims. 

Hey Ben or anyone. I am doing some CREV sims on the AJs hand and was going to see if people thought these were reasonable ranges for Hero/villian before posting sim results. These are the ranges for getting to the river before the river action.

I took out TdJd from both their ranges to make the sim results come out cleaner.

Heros range: for checking flop betting turn

77@100, 55-44@50, (AKs-ATs,KQs-K9s,AQo,AJo)@65,JTs@30,(T7s,98s-97s,87s,76s,65s)@100

Wasnt sure about TJs because I thought this would be checked a reasonable amount on the flop and also the turn but occasionally would be bet on flop and occasionally check flop and bet turn.

I only have AJo,AQo @ 65 for any offsuit combos of hands. AQo too add some bluff combos and AJo because I thought we would bet turn with all/most AJ hands.

Had 55-44 @ 50 just to have some bluff combos although it is pretty reasonable just to want to get to showdown vs villian Ax hands. 

Villian range: 

AA-TT @ 20

ATs,KTs,QTs @ 80

88-77,JTs-J9s,T8s-T7s,98s-96s,86s,

A9s,65s-64s @ 50

AA-TT @ 20 to represent the fact that occasionally villian will go for c/c line with these hands and go for c/r with TT or just take a passive line with that as well.

FWIW hero has about 35.8% equity vs villian call range which I thought was reasonable given the fact that villian cant really have total air to c/c this turn.

Let me know what you think about these ranges and then I will post some sim results. Thanks

Not really the best way to learn imo. You get to see 200 hands but dont get any of the why questions answered.

Hey GT

From the equation EV=(15/27)*350 + (12/27)*(x*2224-992) = 0
x = 24.9% so we could just shove our entire range. so the assumption that the SB is going to fold 15/27 of his cold 4 betting range is off in my opinion.
Also you only calculated the equity of AK vs the proposed value range not Bens entire shoving range even if you include only a few combos of bluffs than AK has enough equity to call.
That being said I would shove KK also. I dont really have a developed calling range for calling cold 4 bets in that spot though.

Not exactly relevant to the video but how many times have you read MOP because I have read it once and once does not seem like enough to be able to retain and apply it. You seem to refrence it a lot so just wondering. 

Also I am playing this on bovada and getting the HH converted is hard so that is why its not very clean. 

Hey Phil,

At 20:36 on the top left you say that you have seen sauce c/r hands like J6,J8. Then you said but probably not J9. What is the difference between J6,J8 and J9? Would you say that you would rather just keep J9 in you c/c range since it is a good bluff catcher and also that he might expect you to start betting hands like J6,J8 for value? 

Also if you were in sauce's spot and c/r J6,J8 would you bet for value on some blank rivers or most just be c/ bluff catching with those types of hands?

I assume also that as an adjustment toward someone c/r turn with those types of hands that you have to start checking back flop more with strong hands and in turn be willing to 3 bet bluff/play back more in these spots. It seems like you could also potentially widen your bet/calling range on the turn and be able to bluff/value bet rivers appropriatley.