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Hope you have a big budget as Monker requires a subscription to cloud computing service to run every sim.

I just wanted to leave this hand history here because I am interested in hearing how we can construct a GTO leading range from BB here into the pre-flop 3-bettor.

Shame to see you go. You helped me a lot with my PLO game when I first started posting hands.

You're right, there are some boards that are just bad for us. I believe Tom Coldwell had a video discussing this very concept but I can't remember the name of it.

General rule of thumb is that if you can't get > 1/3 of your stack in pre-flop to generate an SPR 1 situation post-flop then it's better to call with trashy AAxx. There is a good article on donkr that shows the math for this.

Great post. I find this especially true when analyzing my database of the most winning-est players at my stakes. I always imagined them to be LAGs but in fact the majority of the biggest winners are all TAGs. This gave me insight into what I personally felt a big winning player looked like vs. the reality; and that has definitely caused me to re-evaluate what I think I know about winning poker.

Is the 5533ss cold call from SB @ 10:30 standard?

In theory, we should bluff here since we have T-high and this is the worst hand we can possibly have.

In practice, we'll get looked up a lot by Ax and two-pair with blockers.

We won't have too many value hands here in reality though. AK and the rare 7x with draw that backed into trips.

Probably bet small, 1/3, to target the hands villain has that also whiffed, since his Ax/two-pair range is inelastic.

Tricky spot for sure. Villain only has $4.52 remaining.

I think our option really depends on his post-flop tendencies. Even a wide 3B range should contain a decent amount of AJ/JT. However the AKQ in our hand removes a lot of those rundown combinations.

We block a lot of the draws that have incentive to bluff us on the river but he will also have some weaker T and 9 high rundowns with suits that will as well.

Against a more passive player I think a tiny river blocker bet may work but I feel this will not work against this type of player.

I would check and make a decision based on his timing.

Fold pre. Even calling double suited here is marginal. If there are multiple callers, fine, we're in position, but all our pair outs are dominated by UTG's range and our connectedness is poor. We shouldn't expect to get paid off on a flush either, so the implied odds are just too low.

As played call flop is good. If we raise and get raised we're certainly not happy about it. UTG can have some sets/wraps+FD that have us crushed or hands like AA+NFD which we are flipping with.

On the turn, I think calling again is the best play. Villain is never bet/folding this turn so protection is irrelevant and we're just bloating the pot without a huge equity advantage. Further more if he jams we face the same problem as on the flop. The Ad is better for his range than ours. I prefer to play a small pot and wait for the river to decide the best action.

Yes:

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
JJ75$ds 37.28% 223,082 1,178
3% 62.72% 375,740 1,178

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
JJ75$ds 38.63% 230,762 1,989
5% 61.37% 367,249 1,989

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
JJ75$ds 42.85% 255,295 3,595
10% 57.15% 341,110 3,595

I think leading flop to build a pot is a good line here. You can also lead some KK/AA that you didn't 3-bet with pre-flop that would be vulnerable to be checked through.

That being said our hand is so strong here that we can also consider X/R as well.

As played, betting turn big w/ the monkey nuts+redraw to the coconuts is standard.

Edit: I misread the suits and thought we had NFD. I think that changes things a little and I'd be less inclined to be leading with it now OTF.

His stacksize makes this hand a bit awkward. SPR 6 is difficult to play OOP.

I think the 5c helps his range more than us. We don't block any Ax which is a significant part of his flop calling range and fish tend to play Ax more often. Also 76 got there. Neither of these ranges are folding to a bet IMO and we sometimes get raised off our equity...

Therefore... Check/call turn that way you don't get blown off your equity. Our hand doesn't need protection so betting serves us little purpose.

I would consider flatting OTB since we're guaranteed position, or in the BB since our pot odds are better and we close the action.

Against a tight or good UTG open, I would just fold. In the SB, we can still get squeezed, and often times BB will come along with a hand that dominates our J-high suit and flop set over set with our TT.

You should realize that you are going to be dominated by a lot of UTG's broadway type hands. So that combined with OOP and high SPR and the fact that BB is going to make it 3-way OR squeeze just makes it too optimistic.

As played flop check is standard. He will hit this board quite hard from UTG, and having no spade blockers is also bad for us. He will delay cbet a lot of weaker flushes and straights as well.

Turn fold seems good given the above. Plus we block our own outs, and don't block any spades, Qx, or 8x.

Just to give you an idea of how bad this hand is pre-flop I would only play it from the button.

I'd go for the delayed c-bet on this board if it goes x/x. We will have some flop check raises in our range to balance our delayed c-bets when villain checks back.

#1 I think standard is to check/fold but if you have a good read on villain such that he likes to stab 1 bullet and give up this could be a spot to peel.

#2 Given we have a BDNFD and BD low SD I think vs. a small bet a peel is fine. Small sizings work best on static boards but here the QT w/ FD makes the board highly dynamic as a lot of 3B ranges will interact with these cards and the turn will change the nuts frequently.

#3 In theory if we want to balance a small sizing here I guess we could do it with hands like weak TPTK (AQxx) or overpairs (KKxx) that have no back-door equity. And then sometimes balance with our monsters that can call a check-raise such as KJcc. However I think from a practical stand-point we lose too much value from the latter range and it's much easier to just have one big (balanced) bet sizing and then delay stab everything else. Can you describe the exact hand where HS pro's are betting 1/3 on dynamic boards?

Or just hit CTRL-S

On average I make around $900 playing MTT's every day

Why even bother with PLO then? Even if you maintained a regular working schedule that's still over a quarter million dollars per year.

I doubt even 1% of all poker players are making anywhere close to that except for maybe very good high stakes players.

Agree with DirtyD's points. 6.5% 3b isn't extraordinarily high and it's probably lower in this instance since you're deep. I think a lot of turn cards will be better for his range than yours.

With SPR 4 and a huge draw with a blocker to the nuts I would go for the pot-pot line.

Heads-up equity:
Vs. a set we have 40% equity.
Vs. the nut straight we have 42% equity.
Vs. the 2nd nut straight we have 46% equity.

When we have this much equity vs. the top of their ranges we should be absolutely ecstatic.

Especially with a 73/36 fish we want to start collecting the dead money from his dominated draws as early as possible and to build a bigger pot for when we hit.

Agree on the pre-flop call?

It's probably close. I would fold if I didn't have a plan on where my profit was coming from.

What should I have done had he c-bet this flop?

Fold. This board hits his 3-betting range very hard.

And what should my plan be on the turn?

As played, probably still just give up. You mentioned villain is not overly c-betting so his check/back range is still quite strong. Overpairs have you in bad shape which he may not fold, all his spade draws which are probably accompanied by at least a pair or straight draw, and obviously a lot of 9x which checked back flop too. It's not inconceivable for villain to check back flop with T9/J9 or even a set because we will have a lot of straights on this board too.

This hand pretty much sums up the power of position in PLO. If we were the ones IP we could have decided to semi-bluff flop with the two straight blockers and continue applying pressure OR give ourselves a free card on the turn.

Some % of sets and top 2 will C/R flop.
Not many 92/82 combos pre, even from BB.
We checked turn and capped ourselves.
We bet small/weak on river.
We have zero boats after taking this line therefore NF is the top of our range.
Villain is capable of hand reading and is aggressive.
Villain's BB flatting range and floating range on 982tt is very wide. 98/88/99 is only a tiny part of his overall range.

Yeah, I call.

You could bet less and fold to a raise imo.

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Damn :(

Tx typically interacts very well with 3b calling ranges but in this case CO/BTN are both very wide pre-flop so their frequency of Tx goes down. I would start with a check/decide vs. tighter opponents but given we know that CO is a LAG and will likely bet and put us in a tough spot I prefer betting ourselves to keep the initiative. I like the sizing you chose here.

As played I'm folding to the turn raise. I don't think there's much point in the second barrel anyway. His worse hands are all folding and we basically only ever put money bad vs. trips/straights/boats.

Ok I'm glad I ran this sim. I gave BB $3b8o and using this sizing for a variety of different hands: all draws, two pair+, and some thin protection with QQ-AA. If I exclude sets then (C) drops from 9.45% to 5.95% but our overall equity doesn't change.

Flop call looks to be only very slightly +EV at best. Given the low # of turn cards we can continue on w/ poor visibility and BB's ability to continue bluffing w/ initiative, we can probably find a fold as JimmyGlass suggested.

Thinking about this spot some more and this board should probably hit a 9% 3b range pretty well.

Gonna PokerJuice it when I get home from work.

Raise pre is great - excellent multi-way hand which will hit a lot of flops hard which is what we're looking for when OOP.

Vs. the limp re-raise, I think calling is probably best, as sometimes short stacks like this will do this with AA which we are very behind, and KK, which we aren't pushing a ton of equity with. Also which suits we have is very important and in this case both our A/K are the same suit which is not ideal. If we were double suited then I think there's more merit to a 4B to get value from SB who is deeper than MP.

As played, there's less than a 1/3 pot sized bet left, so I would just put the rest of it in for protection in case SB has something funky like a straight draw. You can get some marginal value from any overpair < TT. Don't be surprised to get beat here by JJ+ sometimes though.

I would just flat pre with good relative position to MP. We have excellent domination ability and so we can look to check-raise a lot of flops with dead CO/BTN money in the pot.

Our hand does very poorly vs. a 4-bet range.

As played I guess we just call it off with TPTK+BDNFD+BDSD getting 6.7:1

Edit: Didn't see notes on villain... 75VPIP but what PFR? Either way he's probably bad so squeezing seems good.