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I would have thought A3 is a GTO check, with a pinch of SD value, preferring to bluff Kx hands?

I thought the same thing with those unusual preflop ranges.

You keep saying T high flop when it was 855. Do mean on flops less than 10 high it's easy for oop to over bluff rivers after calling a 1/3rd bet? Versus this guy do you bluff raise most rivers or did the double high card run off just end up being a good one to do it on?

👍 fantastic.

Yup, that is exactly what I mean, in single or 3 bet pots! In general the delay float bet line (and to some extent the delay cbet line) is something I struggle with (particularly selecting bluffs). PIO often bets hands that don't have much equity and I can't work out if it's blockers or unblockers that are more important. I can't seem to spot any consistent patterns.

Would truly love to see a video on this topic.

Been going through your videos with a fine tooth comb!

The subject of symmetry has come up quite a bit in the comments recently it seems. It's something I'm struggling to get my head round and define. When you say ranges are fairly symmetrical are you meaning both players have a similar percent of hands in each hand class/strength and no nut advantage? I.e each player's range comprises a similar percentage of bottom pairs, top pairs 2pairs sets and so on? Am I correct in saying when ranges aren't symmetrical, one players range will comprise of a greater percentage of nutty hands (usually overpair+?)

Is my thinking right??!

Thanks!

Hey! At 26 min in, you cbet AT bvb on Ac6c5d8s2d, and take a bcb line in the sb. I was fully expecting you to say you'd bet 30/130 on river but instead you shocked me with 1/3rd or 2/3rds. Why did you not use your standard 30/130 and instead switched to a 1/3rd or 2/3rds sizing?

Thanks!

Thanks for the detailed reply Luke! If bvb is a no go, something on delay cbetting or delay float betting Ip would also go down a treat. I really struggle to identify which bluffing hands delay cbet or delay float bet the turn or just wait to bluff the river.

Top notch video as always. Would love to see a video on bvb play if you're open to requests! But I'll happily watch anything of yours.

Hope this comment doesn't come too late! I've been having a play with your ~130/30 betsizing on the river and really like it because sizing decisions feel steamlined and clearer cut. I've seen you use it a lot in the probe river line after villian misses a turn cbet. My question is do you think its okay to use it in all, (I'm sure they're are a few exceptions!) 2 street betting situations? So for example, if you probe the turn using a 2/3rd size, and see the river, do you then go to the 30/130 sizing scheme on the river too? Another example might be, bvb when you delay cbet 2/3rds pot, on river do you use the 30/130 sizing. I worried in my attempt to simplify my sizing's I'm over doing it or miss applying it.

Cheers!

Would like to see the same concept but with a focus on how you chose which bluffs go into a delay turn cbet line or just check down to the river to bluff or other lines. Value bets often feel fairly self explanatory but it's hard to identify which bluffs prefer which lines.

Okay, I think I've followed that but just to check I've understood this, in my second example.... 'same positions this time had the co cbet, and you're the btn you would have a raising range but you wouldn't as the BB?.'

So it's the last person to act with respect to the person betting? Is that correct?

Thanks.

Hey! You mentioned in multiway spots you'll only raise if you're second last to act. Can you clarify what you meant for me? I.e suppose the co raises, btn calls, BB calls. On the flop co checks and btn bets. Because the btn was second last to act are saying you'd never c/r as the BB or the co? Or same positions this time had the co cbet, and you're the btn you would have a raising range but you wouldn't as the BB?.

I'm not 100% sure on how you define second last to act.

Thank you for explaining that. I tend to avoid making these more neutral 3bets in single raised pots because I feel very unsure of how to react to any future aggression. If villian shoves we can't call Qd9 can we? I feel like we get shown a combo draw or 2pr every time. Or we three bet his raise with the Qd9, villian calls the 3bet, we get a 9742 turn, we bet and he shoves, I think we get shown 97 or 74 almost every time, so we feel a bit stupid and fold? Or we get an evil 5/6/8/T/J turn and we're now in a bigger pot and potentially making a bigger mistake. Am I looking at this wrong?

Hey, really liked this video and got a lot from it. One spot really confused me though. At 21 mins bvb you cbet 9c7c on 9d8c4d and mention 3betting Qd9 because the Qd blocks his continues. I can't follow your thought process here. If it's a value 3bet you want to unblock continues and if you are bluffing you want to block his continues. So are you bluff 3betting Qd9? Im really confused, would you mind explaining it for me.

Yes please to part 2...

Hey, really liked this video and got a lot from it. One spot really confused me though. At 21 mins bvb you cbet 9c7c on 9d8c4d and mention 3betting Qd9 because the Qd blocks his continues. I can't follow your thought process here. If it's a value 3bet you want to unblock continues and if you are bluffing you want to block his continues. So are you bluff 3betting Qd9? Im really confused, would you mind explaining it for me.

I enjoy your videos, put please try to speak a little slower! English is my first language and even I'm struggling to keep up at times
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My apologies, I miss read your 0.6bb in my reply, that sounds fine.. My main game is 500nl. In my sims I use 4% capped at $4 and 2.5bb 3bet to 11bb. So not substantially different unless I missed something. I'll run one later with the exact same dimensions you used, but I think it unlikely it will generate ranges anything like the ones you've used in the video. Are you using simple preflop to generate yours?

Ah I see. The ip ranges are quite a long way off the sims I have played with in simple preflop. It's shame you didn't use a larger cap because I question how applicable the findings are when online games have a higher cap and therefore different ranges.

The Ip's range for calling the 3bet ip looks very strange to me at 22mins, why is AKo, QQ not 4betting and why is 53s / k5s / 96s in their range? Am I missing something?

In your reply are you refering to situations when we are in position of the recreational player? Just want to be sure I'm looking at your reply in the right context..

Out of position I see a lot of merits for checking a tonne more hand classes because recreationals over float bet. Strong hands gain from being able to c/r more frequently and air benefits from being able to delay cbet turn and take down the pot way more than they should etc. In position, delay cbetting air/ or just cbetting 33% with air versus rec's is where I'm unsure which yields the higher ev, and I think is what you were addressing in your answer.

Hi Saulo, even though we play the same stakes I still learn a lot from your videos. Sobering.

A few times you mentioned how recreationals can react a bit randomly to small cbets like floating or raising too wide. In spots where we can range cbet for 25% / 33% do you deviate from this strategy with the air parts of your range to avoid inducing this sort of spazz? For example, sizing up your air cbets to 50% pot to 'guarantee' a bit more fold equity and a more predictable response? (I remember another coach saying they do this)? Or put more air into your delay cbet ranges? (Which exploits their over probing/floating tendancies as well) Or do you just continue to range bet knowing recreationals will make more mistakes on the turn and river anyway. In anonymous pools, which way would you lean given it is harder to identify a recreationals tendancies?

Cheers!

At 21 min's, you discuss the Kq hand on T55J and double barreling for range. I think you mentioned it too, and my database analysis also confirms it, that the population significantly under raise cbets in 3bet pots when they're oop. When I've tried to node lock this in pio, we frequently cbet 100% but then drastically tighten our turn cbet range. I always feel conflicted about how much we should be double or triple barrelling given how different the results can be before and after nodelocking. It's probably too broad a subject for a comments thread, but do you have any advice? If you could do a video on 3bet pots in position, that would be fantastic!

Great video as ever.

Hi Saulo,

At 24 mins in with the 99h hand on Ah7h3c2h, you said taking into account two datapoints.... A-high boards and flush turns are two textures than people bluff the least on. Were you refering to 3bet pots specifically? Or this is generally true of most situations?

Cheers!

Great video, as always really well explained.

I've noticed you use 50% pot sizing a lot when making delay cbets and probe bets. Do you use other betsizes too or are you using just one generally to just simplify your game?

When you checked the flop at 4min on ks7c4s with Jcts verus a fish, what was your plan verus a typical 75% pot bet?

In that 34s hand where you bluff shove the river on T9358 versus a weaker reg, what other rivers would you be bluff shoving?

Thanks.

I'm a little confused why you delay cbet 3/4 pot on K82r3 at 9 mins with 44, mp v sb, I'm not sure if this was a bluff or a value bet? If it's a value bet don't you need to size down a bunch to get calls from A-highs?

I think we need 8-10 bluffs ish to call on the river. But our jack is going to block a lot of those. What bluffs do you think he might show up with?

The Kj hand hand around 17 mins seems to thin to be shoving to me even if it is versus a fish. He can have all the KQ(8), KT(6), TT(3) 88(3) and some AK(4?) A2(2) hands that beat you. I dont think there is enough JJ weaker top pairs in his range to incentivise a shove. Just seems like a rather gross to make c/f.

Another really good video.

I'm just getting to grips with Gtotrainer myself. What did you enter into the 'Node Id' part of the Drill games to soley practice playing against flop floats? I can't find any explanation of what to write in that field/box anywhere.

Thanks.

Nice clear explanations. Thanks for the video. At 28 mins you call 88 otb, flop goes 3 way and you check back on a K75r flop. If you choose to bet a hand here (not necessarily 88) what sizing would use? I'm torn between using 70% and 33%. I can see reasons for both.

At 29:30 you delay cbet K8o on A62r4 for 1/2 pot as an exploit because he'll overfold. Would you delay cbet any weak made hands here too like 33/4x/6x. I noticed when you node lock these spots and villian overfolds significantly too much, pio often ends up betting 'ridiculously' wide often with hands that aren't really 'value' or quite 'bluffs'.

Hi Tyler. At 7 mins in you have As7c bvb and delay cbet on QdJd2c4c for like 25/30% pot ish. I don't understand why you're betting for this size or with this hand? I pretty sure Pio would use larger sizing here and wouldn't bet this hand so therefore I'm assuming you're doing it to exploit the pool because they overfold to small delay cbets or something? Would you mind explaining it for me?

Thanks.