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14.00 KJo HU - Given that OTR you are really close to the bottom of your range, ever consider a bluff on a non club river? I assume you didnt fire the river since your value range is really narrow and you have better candidates to bluff in this spot. Am I correct? If so, could you name hands that play XB/Call/Bet on the actual Qc river?

14.00 Q8s - Sorry to bring up this hand again :P . In case BB goes for a turn shove, how do you feel about calling? Given his turn sizing, I feel inclined to shove in order to force his draws to call and his bluffs to give up their equity. Why do you think this is suboptimal and decide to just call?

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Hello Tyler, excellent content as usual!

I was wondering whether despite the range advantadge we have BTNvBB on K73r, we should be checking hands like JT at a certain fq (25%ish?) since it has decent backdoors and we want some high equity bluffs on certain runouts. Following up, could you mention which are the best candidates on BTNs range for this purpose?

I can see Villain calling with K7s/K9s too but he does seem rather passive so I don't think we should include all KJ combos as I expect him to check flop a portion of the time. Close decision either way

I like both river calls against unknowns. River play with A8 is tricky. You can absolutely value shove but yeah a turn x/c range must be developed. This is only necessary if you think villain will exploit your checks by turning some weak sdv into bluffs. To keep sanity, just assume they will do this, and if you see him checking back stuff like T9/78 etc just take a note and exploit his tendencies. That's what I try to do, anyway. Also, I'm not that convinced on your turn barrel, care to explain briefly?

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I think your analysis is good, perhaps you forgot some AXhh and 7Xhh combos, but yeah it all comes down to how many combos of his value region, mostly Kx combos, he's folding to a river shove, and yes, it's a guessing game. My guess is you won't get 43% of folds but I haven't made a proper analysis.

Does this mean we never want to bluff in this scenario? Are spots like this when there are river cards in which our opponent expects us to give up our bluffs good spots to actually bluff? I see myself getting leveled often and trying to bluff at a proper ratio, and get called by hands that I expected and hoped that would find a fold. Hopefully we can share our views in this topic which I think it's very interesting and quite relevant.

I'm transitioning/learning PLO aswell, but I'll share my thoughts.

I don't expect SB to call down with weaker flushes that much, and has some boats. For him to calldown Hero more lightly (which would allow the nut flush to be a value bet) he should believe that Hero is bluffing at a high enough frequency. I wonder what's the best bluffing card in this scenario. Probably Kx followed by Ad?

Regarding constructing a turn leading range, I'm not in love with the idea for the reasons you mentioned, and I lack experience since I rarely lead in the games.

Regarding frequencies, obviously it's going to be very dependant on how you construct your ranges on earlier streets. In my case, x/r a range of [sets+, KTs, KJo, T9s, strong combo draws] yields a frequency of 60%, which is sick. Thing is we can probably get away with something like 30-40% frequency against most villains who will bet turn way too liberally and won't adapt.

I've ran some numbers in CREV and the less he continues with a bet on the river the better for my overall strategy. Range benefits from arriving to showdown and since the range by the river is capped on blanks I like the fact that you feel like IP shouldn't be betting river a lot.

1/ Betting 40ish pot and overbetting non-flush rivers and betting 3/4 on hearts and diamonds. Using this strat almost always but against tricky and/or players with high x/r in this spot.

2/ I'd say it's pretty close. Depends on own image, villain, recent dynamics... I'd lean towards betting in order to be balanced given that I'd barrel this card with my bluffs often.

If you include these OESD+pair into the x/shoving range then you need to start including two pairs to remain balanced, which will lead to a x/r of 60%. Considering the strongest combo draws as value hands, given they have between 55%-50% equity against his get it in range.

We can most likely play exploitative like this against some villains, but against others we probably want to play with a lower x/r frequency.

I think the best range for x/r is something like sets+ and KTs,KJo and T9s. It's slightly unbalanced towards value and the frequency is nearly 40% which is def too much. But flatting with the stronger combo draws protects river range and lowers overall turn x/r frequency. Also allows to defend more than the initial strategy that had oesd+pair+no fd as folds. Thoughts?

I'd say having no raising range on the flop is good given how dynamic the board is. On this turn I feel tempted to raise some non nutted flushes with some bluffs but I don't think there's much value to be had (and huge reverse implied odds) so that's probably not the best strategy. Raising turn with the nut flush and bluffs is fine but it weakens your calling range.

To sum it up I don't have a raising range on earlier streets but I don't know how good is that.

Btw I can't see the logic behind "if people are underbluffing we should raise". Care to explain?

Check shoving sets+ and good combo draws is definately good and surprisingly balanced. I love the fact that my x/r on this spot goes up to 35% of my initial flop x/c range, which is obviously too much and easily exploitable but most players will not check back hands that suffer a lot against a x/r like AQ or 65dd. My main concern with this strategic choise is that its turn x/calling range is pretty vulnerable to heart and diamond river cards.

I would only show up with a flush with this line with exactly 1.5 combos (QJdd, and 25% of J7dd and T7hh), out of a range of 13.5 combos. I still have some decent hands to call the three barrels on most runouts such as KdKx, QTss, QTcc, AdAx which should reach the MDF threshold. What do you think about this? Tweak ranges to include more flush combos by the river or are you happy to x/c 3 barrels with AdAx?

Bonus question:
I find myself folding (in theory) some combos of KTs, T9s, AJo and KJo to avoid overdefending. These hands have 43% equity or more vs a reasonable range of IP. What's the best line with these kind of hands?

Pretty interesting hand thanks for sharing

Close spot. He has about 10-12 flushes and he probably bluffs AdKx and AdJx most of the time. Agree he's polarised to flush/bluffs, so I'm calling here.

This would be my std ranges. SB more linear and BB more polar. Let me know what you think.

Interesting spot!

I think a decent reg will call Kx with at least some frequency and weaker regs will def fold to a shove way more than they should. So an average range calling range should fall in between. Perhaps in the 30% ballpark.

In my experience not many players will try to get stacks in with AK/AA, my assumption would be to weight it to 90%.

Regarding how strong your range looks, I'd say that's kind of irrelevant since you should be somewhat balanced with bluffs in order to avoid explotation. But yes, you are repping something like sets+.

On the river play I'm really unsure. With the Kc and the Ac out there that should reduce his flush combos to [7x,9x]:cc and some discounted portion of gutter or better +FD.

Compare shoving under this assumptions to check/calling. I guess that from a MDF standpoint K3 should be about the top of your checking range so it shouldn't be folded. I'd try making different assumptions on his shoving range ranging from heavily underbluffing to the opposite.

Really interested to see the results!

It's hard to tell exactly which line is best between all different options on the turn.

Against weaker players who will stab this turn IP a lot (70% ish), which I see a lot, there is so much value to be had by a c/r and make villain forfeit his equity. It's definately sort of a valuebluff or a very thin valuebet, but making him fold all his draws and overcards seems so valuable. I don't know why you guys think it's hard to balance, it should be easy to make up a range formed by 8x, QQ-TT and the best draws with worse sdv as bluffs.

Against tougher and more balanced opposition I prefer a bet/call. Very tough decision on almost all river cards though. Would be really cool to analyze river play on dif cards.

FWIW I made a CREV sim and the turn c/r play is on +63.03$ against a highish freq stabber.

IP I'd rather flat with A4. The general rule I follow, the less sdv my hand has the more inclined I am to put it in my raising range, specially OOP.

Seems like raising bigger otf and overbet shoving good turns is the best option. Interesting spot is when bad turns hit which happens more than we'd like in Hero's shoes.

I pretty much agree with your thought process. Preflop is too swedish for me tho :P

The river bet isn't thin at all. I don't like your sizing, I'm going bigger since you beat almost all his bluffcatchers. Don't see him playing AA/99/A9/J9s like this much given turn action but you can assign him some combos I guess. He might also show up with some nut flushes as he's rarely beat. If he realises that, then he should also realise that you have only 8 boat combos in your range.

I bluffcatch this spot

How many flush combos do you expect him to have after bombing turn on paired board? He should never call with a naked FD, even with two overcards. I can see him calling flush draws combos with SDV, but it's impossible as you block them with the Ad. Basically, he has way more boats than flushes here.

Regarding river play it's probably superior to x/c to induce shoves from his weaker made hands as he might think we're concerned about that river card. But as I said, I believe there's not really much of a reason to worry in the flush/straight department.

Folding here feels just wrong. However I understand and almost agree with this exploitative fold as I doubt most villains are bluffing or vbetting worse more than 25% of the time. Anyway I'm calling all the time except against a super passive villain, and probably losing a bit of money on the call.

I definately agree with your reasoning. What I was trying to say is that if you were playing 300bb deep I feel like villain might call your river raise widish as you don't rep much. That is why I don't want to bluff a lot here, and even less when there is little $ behind.

Agree. Thoughts about flop c/r?

I like the cbet with the BDFD readless. But I'm folding vs the raise, definately close though.

Shove river. You don't rep much so I suspect you will looked up more frequently than optimal, meaning he's def calling with two pair and perhaps worse.

Also disagree that you don't have bluffing hands but I'd explotably under bluff this spot and only c/push with a few of the 98s T9s 87s you might end up with here.

You're my fav producer by far but I was slightly dissapointed by video lenght. Towards the end of the video you mention you're unsure you are delivering the content we want. I say keep doing this "live" gameplay format, you're brilliant at it. Perhaps you could go into deeper detail on what stats or tendencies you notice when making an strategical adjustment. You do this most of the time of course, I just noticed that sometimes you say something like "against him I'll do X", and perhaps you mentioned the reasoning before or maybe it's too obvious, I'm unsure :p

Anyway, will be looking for more from you!

I'd call here. As you say you are up in your range and you don't know anything about his tendencies. Regarding bottom of calling range, I really don't know. Probably folding some of my worse Tx combos with diamonds, but it's just an estimate really.

Btw your assumptions for SB range is lacking some 3x combos.