YoungMoney18
54 points
Hey man nice video:
A few questions about both parts of the video:
About using the HUD: Do you think we should limit our HUD to show stats from our opponents from the last X hands? Some regs (the good ones at least) will work on their game and therefore change their game with time. How many hands should we filter our HUD so we don't run the risk of having outdated stats?
About overadjusting to the opponents: I see the point in making sure our stats look close to the optimal frequencies, but in your example, there will also be opponents that check-raise way too much and so we would c-bet less against these players and then our frequency would go down, right? I don't think the population is balanced but anyways, will our stats still look very unbalanced?
Another point is that if our opponents are trying to exploit us looking at our stats, won't their stats look out of line as well and then we should counter adjust?
11:40 Table 3- Do you think your timing would make a difference in the player's decision to call? I do think he would call anyways with that specific hand and I know you'll be balanced in that situation since you're explaining yourself in the video. But for the sake of argument let's say you're multi tabling and took a while to get to your action against a weaker player. Would it be ok to not bluff given you took a while and in the mind of the weaker player if you had a clear value bet you would've bet already? Hope it makes sense.
13:50 Table 2- PIO suggets us to use a smaller sizing on this board, 25% over the 55% you used. Did you use the bigger sizing because the opponent was likely a weaker player and if so how would you size your bluffs against the weaker player?
23:47 Table 3 - Don't this specific combo of AQo blocks some of the bluffs we beat like weaker Axs with the flush draw?
27:51 - Table 3 - Isn't this check-raise too loose against that specific sizing from our opponent? If we had stats that the opponent is c-betting too much, should we go for a higher check-raising frequency or should we still call more often given the sizing is quite big?
Cheers!
June 1, 2018 | 12:41 a.m.
6:09
I'm not sure if population would over bluff -- did the solutions show something that would make you think they will?
Using a 66% sizing, PIO suggests IP to bluff some weaker pairs and the bottom of our range, which represents about 32% of our range. I don't know if that seems like an overbluffing number (haven't studied what common frequencies are, probably should) but I would guess it seems ok.
9:40
I would check this with PIO if I wasn't currently running a script.
PIO usually check-calls this specific combo, but ckeck-raises a lot with other combos like weaker A hi's and pairs.
If I'm understanding correctly, you're asking if the rec betting linearly is a reason for me to fold. If so, then yes.
Yeah, you understood correctly, thanks :)
May 31, 2018 | 11:04 p.m.
Hi Paul, nice video:
Got a few questions (a lot actually):
4:02 - You used a 4.5x 3-bet sizing against the 2x open. Is it ok to make it 4x? What are the pros and cons for each sizing?
6:09 - You checked the weak flush on the river. PIO suggests we should basically bet any flush in this spot, mostly with the 75% sizing but some 33%. Should we take this approach and bet any flush or just check the weaker ones, assuming the IP player doesn't call us much with worse / overbluffs this spot?
9:00- You folded A6o to the 2x open from MP in the BB. I do think this is a fold but I wondered what's the weakest offsuit Ace we should defend.
9:40 - You check folded KQ hi bdfd on the 543r board. You gave your read on how recs usually play this spot, saying that they usually bet more than they should and with a linear approach, but I understood that was a reason for you to bluff later. Was that a factor for you folding that specific hand on the flop and do you think we should call against regs or should we fold in general?
11:40 - You said against the weaker player we should bet bigger with our overpairs, which usually is the case in most situations against these players. Is there any credit in this case (4-bet pots) to bet small, trying to induce some spews from our opponent?
17:35 - You advocate us to use a smaller sizing 3-way on that board. I always thought that we should size up multiway since we're against two ranges and it's more likely that somebody hit the board. How can we study how to play in these multiway situations, to know how much should we bet and what sizing is better?
22:30 - You decided to call the delayed c-bet from the opponent with the gutshot. At first I thought it was kind of loose but then looking at PIO I saw that it actually calls with some specific combos and folds other ones, like for example, it folds T8, 98 and 65 but calls more often 64 and 54. I see the point in folding T8 and 98 since when we hit we'll sometimes lose a lot of money because there's a better straight possible, but I can't see the point in folding 65 and calling 64 and 54. I would think it's some blocker effect but like you said OOP should have c-bet basically full range on the flop(PIO c-bets 94% in my sim), so it's kind of hard to put OOP in a range at least in theory. What do you suggest in these situations with our gutshots?
30:31 - You decided to bluff river with the busted straight draw. You basically bet the size of the pot on the river. Looking at PIO it usually uses the smaller sizing to bet the river (33%), although it sometimes puts in the pot sizing. What are the merits of both sizings in this spot?
Thanks a lot and I also think the suggestion made by a member about a video on block betting would be very nice.
May 30, 2018 | 1:29 a.m.
Hello Dekkers,
Got some questions on some points of the video:
7:44 - You folded bottom pair to the river bet after it goes check-check on the 2 previous streets. Looking in PIO it seems like OOP calls 4x with the Ace and Q blockers but folds the other ones. I suppose it's because they are blockers to the straight, but should we consider it in game or just fold any 4x? Shouldn't we assume villain would've bet AQ at either flop or turn?
23:39 - You decided to check-raise KQ. PIO basically never check-raises with only top pair and check-raises just 7% against the 50% c-bet. Was that a read on the villain/population?
24:08 - Facing a check-raise from villain, you decided to fold the gutshot pointing out villain had a very low check-raising frequency. PIO folds the gutshots without the bdfd in that spot. Should we continue with these hands because of the implied odds or just fold since like you said in the video we might be dead already?
25:08 - You pointed out that on that flop it was more appropriate to use a sizing between 50% - 75%. Does it have anything to do with the fact that both players were deep or do you advocate that sizing 100BB deep as well?
Thanks and nice video!
May 21, 2018 | 3:11 p.m.
Yep. The population plays horribly vs. C-bets at these sort of stakes. They ove fold and underriasw to we get away with a lot more betting than we should. Protection is a luxury generated by having a good advantage, but they allow us to leverage it even where we don’t have such a huge advantage.
How could we study this spot using PIO? Should we approach it like we do BTN vs BB, using small sizings and high frequency c-bets in most boards?
Thanks!
May 17, 2018 | 9:37 p.m.
Hey man, nice video,
Got some questions/observations I had using PIO, specially at the hands you didn't look at the video:
16:55 - On the river spot with the K4, PIO mostly folds to the river bet. One thing I realized is that it's usually calling with 4x and 6x that doesn't block spades nor diamonds and with weaker kickers, like for example it mostly folds K4 but calls 54. Probably because of blocker effects to the backdoor draws IP calls on the flop, right? Do you think that's something to keep in mind in most situations like this? Also worth noting is that IP doesn't bet that much with the weaker Qx on the river.
49:03 - You said the J turn was pretty bad for us, but looking at the spot I found that we actually bet the turn with more frequency on the J than most runouts, prefering an overbet sizing against a 50% sizing. Observing the flop strategy from both players, I found OOP check raises a decent amount of Jx and IP is supposed to 3-bet a lot of QQ and some KK. Do you think we keep barreling because the J turn decreases the amount of Jx villain has and therefore his calling range or it has to do with something else?
54:21 - PIO suggests a lot of checking for the IP player on the flop instead of c-betting a ton, even with the 33% sizing. Do you think we should use a 100% c-betting strategy or go with the PIO strategy, and if we go with the 100% strategy, does it have any relation to the fact people probably wouldn't raise 40+% of the time?
As far as the format I think that's great, specially since you look in depth at the details of the spots and therefore brings a lot of value.
Cheers!
May 14, 2018 | 9:38 p.m.
Hey man nice video,
Got a few questions about some hands on the video:
1:25 - Is squeezing AQs ok in this spot or too loose? What should be the bottom of our squeezing range in this situation?
3:33 -You said most of the time we should be defending the Ax with the backdoor flush draw againt the check-raise. Looking at PIO it was a pure fold with most Ax, only calling with the stronger ones. Any read on the population to make it a call with these hands you pointed out?
20:10 - You made the squeeze with KQo and the opening raiser had 20 BB behind. I usually don't squeeze with marginal hands when there's a player short like that because of being hesitant to put 20 BBs in with a marginal hand in case he shoves. Am I over adjusting in these situations and should just simply get it in (or even fold?
29:13 - One thing I realized in PIO is that it usually c-bets way less than most players in blind vs blind situations. You said you would c-bet a lot on that board but PIO only c-bets 45% (50% size), and also doesn't check call many Ace highs without the backdoor flush draw. Is there also some exploitative stuff I'm missing when playing these spots and is the PIO model appropriate for the population?
32:30 - You c-bet on the turn with 99 on the T632 board. I see the point you said on the video about protecting your hand on the turn instead of giving a free card to villain. Does the fact that the villain was probably a rec a factor in your decision? Looking a PIO, the IP was mostly using an overbet sizing on that turn and value betting basically overpairs +, which I think against a reg would make sense, since we used a 50% size c-bet on the flop, so villain's range is not as wide and wouldn't contain that many overcards, making protection less of a thing.
Thanks and nice work so far here at RIO!
May 14, 2018 | 3:16 p.m.
Hey nice video!
You emphasized in the beggining of the video the importance of the recognition of the villain's sub optimal strategy. Which stats would you recomend to recognize if the villain is using a stronger range on the flop or an overbluffing range? I guess both have higher c-betting frequencies than usual but our strategies should adjust very differently as you said.
Thanks!
July 25, 2017 | 10:05 p.m.
Hey man, nice video
At 33:02 u had 33 with a gutter multiway. The fact that the 2 opponents checked twice indicates that they probably had not connected with the board and probably had overcards. Don't you think that protection is a concern and we should bet that turn, specially multiway?
April 11, 2017 | 5:46 a.m.
Hey man, really like your videos.
You mentioned the fact of using only one sizing in every street. Could you develop the theme of multiple sizings in a video in the future? Like the most appropriate textures to do it and how to balance them.
Thanks in advance!
Sept. 17, 2016 | 2:15 p.m.
4 bet pre, ok post flop
Sept. 2, 2016 | 9:24 p.m.
Calling the river is a mistake I think... If he's a whale he could triple barrel bluff with some random OESD or fd, but you block those combos very hard, and he can't be value betting worse, right? If he has TT for example when the J comes on the river he's probably never betting.
Aug. 31, 2016 | 7:45 p.m.
Hello Guys,
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Anybody wants to make a league?
Aug. 25, 2016 | 1:13 a.m.
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Aug. 23, 2016 | 4:16 p.m.
Don't think u played it bad, probably u posted it because u lost it. However the turn makes this board become extremely wet, so I would raise there 4 sure. The flop u can raise it too since there are so many players that it's hard to not get called and the river is an easy call imo
Aug. 18, 2016 | 9:04 p.m.
Fold river, I think the guy had 77 in this case. Probably any draw would have bet already, and as the guys said it's hard for the guy to turn pairs into bluffs in this spot.
Aug. 16, 2016 | 11:53 a.m.
I would just fold pre... QJo plays extremely poorly. Like the fold on the flop though, you may be basically dead and if you're ahead your opponent probably has a lot of equity.
Aug. 16, 2016 | 11:49 a.m.
Played it perfectly, he c bet 2 overs no bdfd multiway... Take a note and raise the flop against him next time
Aug. 13, 2016 | 2:23 p.m.
Good fold
Aug. 12, 2016 | 8:32 p.m.
Don't know if that's a good combo to xr flop... You probably aren't ahead when called and if you hit your straight it'll be hard to get paid, not to mention the reverse implied odds of you making a straight with a club that can possibly give the villain a flush.
Aug. 12, 2016 | 12:07 a.m.
I think bluff catching in this case is better,,can't see any worse Jx in his range and you might no get called by A hi.
Aug. 11, 2016 | 9:46 p.m.
There are tons of action killers in this flop, basically any figure or heart, so if he has KQ or QJ for example, there are tons of cards that can make him possibly fold on later streets. Therefore I think raising the flop is the best play. On the turn the only hands that can call us that we beat are AK and KT, which is not a good thing if you think about his whole c betting range in this spot, so I think the shove is kind of close, it we bet smaller or check we let his range wider.
Aug. 5, 2016 | 11:33 p.m.
Easy give up...
Aug. 4, 2016 | 11:55 p.m.
Is his fold to c bet high? I mean, your hand on the flop had showdown value and no draws and you c bet it anyways, so I'll assume he folds a lot to c bets... If he does fold a lot to c bets, when he calls he either has a draw or a King... U block KQ which I think is huge and u don't block clubs which is also huge... I would bet, probably making a mistake since PIO disagrees :) Although PIO assumes he plays optimally...
Another point is that since u are bluffing as wide as this I think you should bet smaller...
Aug. 4, 2016 | 11:53 p.m.
Against a fish I'm shoving all day... He's never folding an Ace or lower two pair... Yes you will find some sets and AJ sometimes but I don't think this should be enough to make it a - EV play.
Aug. 4, 2016 | 11:46 a.m.
When he chooses to check the river, I think he mostly has overpairs and sets like you said, so he's very probably check calling, so you have to either bomb the river or simply not bet it. Since the population at the micros is very sticky with their hands, I think that's more of a check river but bluffing of course makes sense since this is probably bottom of the range.
Not sure if I call the flop though, We have all combos of sets(9 combos), 99 and 77(12 combos), QJs(4 combos) and AQ and AJ bdfd(6 combos)... Don't know how your range looks in this situation but to me that's already quite a lot of hands and I didn't even count the pairs that hit the board like T9 , 87. Maybe I'm a nit... :)
Aug. 4, 2016 | 11:27 a.m.
I don't expect too much fold equity in this spot, specially because u block a ton of his flush draws... I think I would give up on the river given this runout.
Aug. 4, 2016 | 1:18 a.m.
If your opponent is a station I love it, he snap call you with QJ and you are in great shape. however u are repping a pretty strong range with this line, u have every 98 combo and any two pair combo too so If I'm the villain in this spot with AJ I have a hard time calling. That being said I don't think u get called by worse too often.
Aug. 4, 2016 | 1:02 a.m.
3 bet or fold pre but since u called I like your line, don't think you should bet turn since your hand is too strong to turn into a bluff I guess.
Hey man nice video,
Few questions:
5:30 Table 1 - You opted to use an overbet sizing against the rec. Do you think from your experience overbetting is better than betting like 95%, for example? Do you think the overbet scares recs and makes them fold hands like second pair, for example?
6:56 table 2 - PIO suggests that we should raise about 30% of the time with a hand like KJ. Do you think we should raise more or less against the population in this situation?
8:42 table 1 - Should we ever consider raising on any street against that sizing, specially with the T coming on the turn?
Thanks!
July 23, 2018 | 8:27 p.m.