Pascal Claes
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So I'm watching the preflop ICM video.
At 19:30 there is an example where we can 3bet shove 53.8% of the time vs an open.
Then Owen goes on to show that if our opponent isn't respecting ICM and is calling our shove just a bit too wide, nothing crazy, our shoving range suddenly goes from 53.8% to only KK+ and AK.
This makes perfect sense.
But how do I learn to apply this at the tables?
How do I identify the players who will or will not respect ICM.
Especially in large field MTTs this is a huge issue, since often you won't know if your opponent understands and/or respects ICM.
Even if they do understand some basic ICM maybe they're not very good at it and are still calling too wide.
I think the ICM video is great for theory purposes, but it seems to seriously lack any advice on practical applications.
Yes it's obvious, pay attention and try to figure out how your opponent reacts to ICM.
This information is often not available though.
So how do we adjust when we don't have this information.
Another issue is, my ICM game probably isn't good enough to identify how good/bad other players are at ICM.
I'm looking for specific and applicable advice here.
Not some general theory that doesn't help me at the table.
April 20, 2021 | 11:53 a.m.
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March 12, 2021 | 11:06 a.m.
I find your first paragraph extremely confusing, not entirely sure what we're trying to do here.
I have 110k hands on my PT4 atm.
Filtered for x/r opportunities in non-3bet pots.
Only have 1300 hands here out of my total sample and am losing at -70bb/100
Then I filtered for actual x/r, had to add an OOP filter for this, since it adds regular raises because of this filter, I looked at all position, not just BB.
That only leaves 74 hands but winning at 640bb/100
I've only started working on my BB in the last 20k hands so results are seriously outdated though.
If I filter for my last 20k hands I get the following results:
374 x/r opportunities only losing at -6bb/100
36 actual x/r' winning at 675bb/100
So half my x/r' in my 110k hand sample are from my last 20k hands when I actually starting working on that.
But it seems I can still x/r a lot more?
My current numbers are: (over my last 20k hands)
CO: 0% (3 opportunities)
MP: 9% (22)
EP: 0% (29)
BB: 11% (283)
SB: 11% (37)
March 11, 2021 | 10:46 a.m.
But you didn't explain what works or how to adjust to my population.
You only said to x/r more when ppl bet small and less when they bet large.
But I don't know how to interpret what you mean by more and less or even what you mean by betting big/small.
That's why I specifically asked for some general numbers I can aim for, so I have a baseline that I can follow and then adjust to.
March 11, 2021 | 10:27 a.m.
From the replies so far I still am completely clueless as to whether I should x/r 5% of the time or 80% of the time.
Thanks for writing a bunch of stuff that is too complicated for me to understand though.
March 7, 2021 | 12:19 p.m.
What's a good/decent flop x/r percentage to aim for?
How much does this depend on position, stack size, ...
I'm mostly wondering about the BB when defending vs a RFI.
Mine is currently only at 8% in the BB and 7% overall, which is probably too low, just not sure if it's 5% too low or 20% too low ...
March 6, 2021 | 1:54 p.m.
Would love to see another series like this!
Very interesting and opened my eyes to a lot of stuff I had never thought about.
SNG
- Smaller fields so WAY less variance
- Only the turbos & hypers run at higher stakes (on PokerStars)
- Usually start around 75bb deep
- You'll run into regs more often
- More short stack play
- ICM is way more important since you'll be in ICM spots constantly duo to small field size
- Easier to practice / study deep and final table spots
MTT
- MUCH larger fields, so MUCH more variance, seriously it's insane, up to a point where you can be a winning player, play 10k MTT's and still have 20% chance to be losing over that sample (depending on field size and your skill level)
- Runs at all stakes
- Usually starts deeper around 100/200bb
- You won't run into the same players often, at least at low stakes
- Slightly more deep play but still lots of short stack play
- Learning ICM is harder, since you'll go deep less often, but that also makes each ICM decision so much more important
MTTs are probably softer than SNGs, but this is just a guess.
Strategically they are almost the same, as far as I know, so both courses would probably be fine.
Maybe watch a few videos of both Ryan Martin and Owen Shiels and see who you like better.
If you're going to play SNGs mostly, I guess the SNG course will be better?
March 12, 2021 | 11:19 a.m.