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Pokerstars is one of the few places that nosebleed games run partly because they are so trusted. Super super unlikely pokerstars is doing anything funny.

As stated above they are a massive company and ripping you off like this is not in their best interest.

Nice job quitting smoking and drinking. Nut worst habits really. Keep this as a priority over everything else.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=55493281&postcount=5648

MDF or 1-a is a rough guide at best and best kept to toy games. You continue if it is profitable. If it is not you fold.

As Ryan Martin said you get very good odds in BB vs raises so you can often continue preflop but then "overfold" on the flop vs a c bet and its still correct.

Basically its more complex then MDF and 1-a suggest which is what you are onto so keep digging.

Right ok, makes sense. How do you find the solvers overall performance etc compared to monker? I already use monker and am proficient in building trees with its goofy interface. Just trying to figure out if simple preflop is 350$ better then monker at this point as according to what I ve read is it sounds like its more or less same thing as monker (no PLO or postflop multi obv) but different UI.

Kalupso Are you able to extract the ranges from Simple Preflop Holdem to use in PIO for making postflop sims? Looks like a nice solver but obviously using the outputs for PIO sims is important.

Its probably a measure used by them for problem gamblers. Not saying this is the case with yourself but seems that is how they are treating your case.

I had a similar crazy idea in my head once upon a time. Looked into polyphasic sleeping and tried it out. I lasted about 36hr, felt like complete garbage and looked into it a little more and figured out its just a terrible idea.

So pretty sure if OP looks hard enough he will find a community of people who think that under sleeping is a great idea and a sign of strength. It is certainly a very well represented idea in our society atm. When I worked at the 3 Michelin star place there where literally dudes who said "idk what I would do with myself if I didnt work 16hr+ days". Gross.

I dont really get the motivation. So what live life fully by going to bed at midnight and then get up at 3am? Sounds like a recipe for spending time alone in the middle of the night while increasing your odds of chronic disease substantially at the same time. Never mind the chronic fatigue and feeling like complete balls.

i just want to increase my time to do things i like and live on this earth as long as possible.

Well missing sleep and you are going backwards towards this goal. Idk how else to say it. Chronic sleep deprivation kills you. You body and brain do not get sufficient time to fully recover from the waking day. Being awake is literally low level brain damage due to the metabolic and chemical processes that happen in your brain. Unlike your muscles your brain does not flush out the waste while awake and you must be asleep for this to happen. Therefore you get a build up of metabolic waste in your brain. This is likely a large reason why mental degenerative disease are highly correlated with lack of sleep among other things.

We are the only animal on earth that have this crazy idea that missing sleep is a good idea. Every other animal will sleep the amount they need to all the time. The only small exceptions are some birds who migrate, whales who are nurturing calf. Even then most will find a way to make sleep happen in one way or the other. Birds and sea mammals can sleep with half their brain at a time for example however if given the chance birds go into a full sleep which enables deep REM sleep.

Also writing "oh I woke up and felt not so bad today after 5.5hrs sleep" is useless. We are not very good judges of wtf is going on in our brain. Its like asking someone who is somewhat drunk are they ok to drive? Very often people over estimate their cognitive abilities and say they are ok when really they are just impaired.

In either case do what you want. If you really think that you are somehow different from every species on earth which all crave sufficient sleep then good luck.

Haha up2u. Be careful with citing very general epidemiological studies such as "Japan has long life expectancy and sleeps 5hrs 50 min a night". Correlation is not causation. Who knows maybe they d live longer if they remembered to sleep? Do you have any reason to believe this would not be the case? What about subsets of the population who do sleep sufficiently vs those who do not? Very real possibility that their longer life expectancy is not related to their sleep habits at all especially considering literally every country at least in the developed world suffers from chronic sleep deprivation. Therefore its likely they are just on even terms with everyone else but do other aspects of daily living better. 150% guaranteed their food culture is WAY WAY more developed then any of the bullshit we eat in the west. Japanese respect food more then anyone else on earth pretty much.

In either case you will have to be very careful with your stress management as well as taking care of yourself in every other aspect of your life. Sleep is where your brain and body deal heal, rejuvenate and grow after a day full of various stresses. Stress is very important to health but only intermittent stress, not chronic stress. If you sleep is anything other then the most efficient I cant see it being good even in the short term. Much more productive will be to get your physical training habits and nutrition dialed in.

I used to work in 3 michellin star kitchen in the UK. I know what sleep deprivation is like lol. Its not fun and certainly harmful. Still get nightmares about it 15 yrs later lol.

This goal is ridiculous and you should stop now.

Humans NEED 7-9hr sleep and it is non negotiable. Planning to sleep less then 6hrs a night wont work and you will make yourself sick and hurt your performance on top of that.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34466963-why-we-sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXflBZXAucQ

didnt watch the vid but i ve seen another interview with him. Google talks are usually solid.

TLDR: Focus on getting your 8hrs full sleep, and work on making your waking hours as strong as possible. Cutting sleep just kills you literally.

10k hands a day is an insane amount of volume and unreasonable unless you are a true mega grinder.

Take a breather, play fewer tables. I play maybe 2k hands on a full day.

Oh ya and welcome to the life of full time grinding. Swongs are part of what happens and need to get a thick skin.

If recreational players would treat huds as a some kind of cheat or whatever wouldn't they just go and play on hudless sites?

Or they just don t play online at all which is probably what happens more often then not. Saying that Pokerstars allows HUDs and is therefore the market leader is absurd. They took control of the online poker market because they did not leave the USA after UIEGA like Party did, had the windfall of Chris Moneymaker winning the world series after qualifying through their site, aggressive marketing strategy and top of the line software. However even on pokerstars cash game traffic is going down, not up.

In a GTO world the HUD should be allowed,

Why is this true? Why would best online environment be where 3rd party software use is the norm? You realize the only reason you need to use a HUD is because the rest of the regulars are using it. It costs the player pool as a whole a lot of $$ and creates an even larger barrier of entry into a game where we should be looking to make it as easy as possible for new players to come in and have a good time. Tracking software has gone well beyond tools like holdem manager and PT4. Hand2Note is just ridiculous when all the features are enabled and this is just what is publicly available.

I agree that buying HH's should be strictly forbidden, as it gives players unfair edge.

You can not stop players from sharing their databases with eachother. There are stables which basically hire data analysts to go through their collective databases in order to find population and player specific exploits. If you are not on their team they are basically colluding vs the rest of the player pool.

this is very likely just as an excuse for a live poker player because it's though to admit to someone that they can't beat games.

Ok and so if they dont want to learn how to use the 3rd party software they should just keep playing live where they are comfortabe? That great, then now you can get your wish and play against only the winning players spending a lot of $$ on the latest tracking software.

The only reason HUDs are considered alright and not cheating by the regular community is because they have been around for a long time with nothing being done about them. If pokerstars truly endorsed they would sell the sofware or provide it somehow in the client. This however is obviously not the case and they just tolerate its use for one reason or another. The idea that casual players "dont care about HUDs" is just false. I live with a casual card player who is severely turned away from poker due to HUDs and quite certain she is not the only one.

HUDs are just part of a sliding scale of assistance software. Real time solvers and bots are one extreme which are clearly considered cheating, HUDs are data collection/management assistance which for whatever reason is not considered cheating. We are not entitled to use any 3rd party software and just because you spend money and time on the software does not make it wrong for any site to disallow its use.

The only dubious decision from party is the lack of HHs but even hand histories get grossly abused these days. Datamining has been a problem forever, now there is several stables and CFP programs which pool their collected data and run high level data analysis looking for leaks in everyones games.

Online cash is dying quickly and it needs to become approachable to casual players again. Most/all third party software makes the game less fun and less approachable and poker already has a large barrier of entry online. Like it or not the anti HUD policies are slowly becoming the norm.

Ya ok running some toy games and pretty sure question is too vague as it depends. At least for river it depends on SPR, size of the bets, and size of the mistakes.

Haha, games are good.

Try this experiment:

Go to your local chess club and challenge someone to a match. Just something small like 10-20$/game. See how much action you get from "imbeciles" (really dislike this term lol) as you like to call them. My guess is you will be the one on the imbecile end of things more often then not.

Of course it is not. I honestly can not believe that this thread has not being removed from the forum yet. Someone openly discussing blatant cheating through assistance software....

Saying you must have a solver to beat small stakes is a bit strong imo. There are certainly people who do well at the game and barely have touched solvers. However because they obv show you a robust strategy they are quite useful but there are plenty of pitfalls. Just like making use out of any other analysis software that has ever existed its a skill on its own to use it effectively.

Learning to use CREV does sound like a good idea. It is a nice tool for exploring toy games, you can use it to create a hypothesis then check your ideas with a solver and see how it differs. Stuff like this. Overall you want to strive to understand the fundamental principles which drive all of these games especially as solvers spit out so much information and not all of it is of the same importance.

Didnt run a sim but ran some quick equity calcs to see where AAQ4&bd is in our range. Sitting around the 60th percentile so ya would be surprised if this was a fold in solverland although not entirely impossible.

Sure the money definitely spices it up and play money poker is silly

If you enjoy it just for the sake of doing it then do it. It must be fun, rewarding, enjoyable etc first. Profitable second. You are right its a lot of work, how profitable it stands to be is unclear. It absolutely must be fun first. Playing strictly for the money is just not worth it even when we are talking 500nl+. Trust me it does not get easier or less grueling. In fact only harder and more grueling haha.

Play for fun, for joy of challenging yourself, because you find the game beautiful and intriguing. The money almost does not matter win or lose. Assuming you are within your means of course.

Heres me hoping for a MTG vid just for the fun.

you deserve to win their money.

The reality is that we/you deserve nothing. Ever. It is not a right to play online poker. Never has been, never will be.

A poker room is a business and needs to spread games that stay alive. If all the weak players get pounded and discouraged because every reg on the site is using HUDs that are 40$+/m + 200$ initial start up cost then the games will not run. Whether you personally like anon games does not matter. Whatever gives the casual demographic a comfortable/convenient/fair/fun playing experience that matters. They fuel the games and most sites are clearly going down the route of reducing/eliminating professional tools.

If you disagree then why do you deserve to use powerful tracking software to win their money? Do you also deserve to use real time solvers? How about just programming a machine to play for you. In some sense this machine is just an extension of yourself so thats fair right? Ok so now super powered HUDs are fine, real time solvers also cool, bots are fine. How long do you think your avg casual player is gonna keep playing when it costs a few hundred per month just to level the playing field? If they dont they just get crushed because players bought HHs, have all their tendencies displayed on screen with all their known ranges available street by street, node by node.

As Phil Galfond explained in his blog posts leading up to the launch of RIO.eu the anon games and other policies are strictly in place to make HUDs as irrelevant as possible. He said himself that he likes the history built up over time due to known names but could not justify that decision as it allows for HUDs to be effectively used. So like all things in life compromises have to be made.

If you still think you deserve to use HUD and tracking software to have a machine keep track of opponents tendencies for you well you are wrong.

You can buy his book for relatively cheap. Idk how informative it actually is but its good fun.

You can switch them though.

Being a skill game and being a gambling game are not mutually exclusive. Poker is both. Backgammon is also a skill intensive game often played for money. When played for money its also gambling.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

Pulled this from Wikipedia. Definitely describes what is happening in a poker game despite it being possible to gamble with an edge.

Also saw so stupid things from regulars at PLO200, people were literally going crazy with rainbow trash to win 20bb STP-s. Raise+3-bet= All-in. Im no lottery expert but I´m starting to think that at this point it must be more profitable to fold, take that money and buy a pile of lottery tickets instead. Thats not poker, 0% of skill, just pure gambling.

I personally think this is one of the best parts about splash pots. They are fairly skill intensive esp the 3-20bb range due to changing preflop dynamics. If regulars wanna just do crazy things for a pile of gold coins ya go ahead. Sounds good to me. Better then the regulars playing well lol.

Also there is no such thing as a "true poker game". Its a massive family of games with all sorts of rules. Some of which have more of a "luck" element at one end of the spectrum (maybe hyper SNGs are an example, flip plaques gonna be the extreme of this), others have relatively little "luck" element (NLHE cash perhaps). Apparently the game that has a very very good balance between "luck" and skill is Stud. When NLHE cash became a thing Stud was the "real poker game" and people complained. I m sure the same thing happened when PLO became more popular. "too much variance, everyone just flips for stacks" is what a lot of NLHE players thought i m sure. I certainly felt that way a bit lol.

The right balance between enough "luck" and skill is critical component of strong game design. Not enough random events and the game gets stale and the players with the edge becomes too clear and its not fun for the underdogs. Try playing chess for 200$ a game and see what happens. Even backgammon for 2$ a point haha.

Fwiw I agree that perhaps the way the huge splashes are done could be reconsidered due to disparity in stack sizes. They are rare enough though that it doesnt really matter anyways. At the higher stakes they almost never happen. Biggest I ve seen is like 20bb and I ve played a decent volume on RIO so far at the 200plo and 500nl games.

Only slightly though. Very close to 0ev but lots of fun EV and lullz for the dudes you most likely wanna be playing against. So in the end its probably actually +ev.

Never mind the fact that 3-10bb splashes are actually very skill intensive. In fact I d say thats almost one of the downfalls. Theres a chance that splashes are actually too punishing for weaker players.

But w/e if you wanna play software filled "skillful" formats with loads of regs, stars is still gonna be going strong for a long while yet.

Seeing frequencies on a display wasnt a thing until pokertracker was a thing lol. I guess all poker before poker tracker wasnt real pokers...

Anon is just different. In fact Alex Scott from MPN wrote an article about how the biggest winners in their pool actually win more in anon. And the weak players have more fun losing. So its win win for everyone. I guess if you hate winning more and wanna battle reg filled line ups with super powerful software that costs 40$+/m then theres options around for that as well. Just not gonna be RIO poker.