StewieStag

Yeah I prefer check calling otf, if we bet this then I assume hero is betting TT+ 9x for value then his draws as semi bluffs? In that case our checking range is so weak that we are x/f close to 100%. Therefore I would prefer to take some of our value hands and nfd into our checking range. If we take some set combos JJ,TT, and some 9x combos along with 2OC+NFD for example, villain noe can't just bet into us as we won't fold enough. Also when we x/r we have sets to balance out our semi bluffs and if you are happy to stack nfd+OC then you can begin to incorporate some air x/r from your usual x/f range. We can then still cbet some of the time ITF maybe QQ+ bottom set, weaker FD and a few other combos of air hands with good blockers and again villain can't do much.

AP you can't x/f really but villain probably isn't bluffing here that often so if I took this line with A9 I would have to also take it with most if my value range. Otherwise we get into a spot again where when we x otr our range is extremely mid strength hand and villain can exploit this by making huge bets with TT, 2pair, sets as well as bluffs and we hate our life.

I agree that x/c actually looks nice :)

Lil thing I have been working in recently which is balancing my x/r river range and I kinda like this run out to focus on. Not St 10nl maybe but we can x/r our 2pair combos and sets to then also x/r our missed FD (maybe missed FD than kq). What are people thoygts?

LuckyMer yes sorry probably not going to x/r on this run out!

Also folding but if he is that aggressive he is more likely to make a mistake by bluffing v a check than calling v a bet so checking OTR looks ok to me :)

Interested to know what Hero's cbetting range here is. I see a lot of people cbet wayy too much OOP and get into these kinda spots OTT. But lets say the turn is 8d and we bet and get raised then what? I don't like calling as we have to then call OTR and this probably becomes a fairly huge mistake. We get into a lot of spots OTT/OTR where we can't know what is best and we likely either make a major mistake or make a small +EV decision.
Also If we are cbetting Over pairs, Kx, FD & GS here for example then our checking range is very weak and very exploitable. IE Villain can just bet and either we fold OTF or to a double barrel probably 90% of the time. If we check more of our Kx then we can also check some of our FD so we begin having a far stronger checking range and villain can't just double barrel to get us to fold as we won't fold Kx OTT. Therefore he has to triple barrel bluff to maybe get us to fold Kx and lets be honest, who at 50nl is triple barrel bluffing after getting called twice on this board texture?
We can then begin to have a wider delayed cbet range and as we have our Kx hands in there we can bet river as well so villain can't really exploitatively call his worse pairs than Kx but at the same time kinda has to as we have maybe our NFD that balance at Kx that we delay double barrel with. OFC these also sometimes make the nuts :)

AP I would no way bet OTT now, like ok we give his fd a free card but what else does he call with we beat? maybe a few combos of KJ but they don't call 3 streets anyway. I'm more inclined to not potentially make a mistake by betting OTT and give villain the chance to make a mistake by bluffing missed FD and thinly value betting worse Kx. We also then lose the least v 9x without winning less v the hands we want to.

"OTR I decided to go for value because villain is never have a Kх here but will checkback all his weaker pairs, and I don't like to XC here because my hand will be face up and he might be sure I have something for showdown."

What is he calling with that we beat? We call a 3bet OOP preflop then call on a Kxx flop. It is pretty clear that we are perceived to be pretty strong here so villain isn't calling with anything other than Kx maybe QQ but that is it. Therefore the bet is fairly redundant and it's whether we x/c or x/f. I lean towards a x/f for the reason above- we are perceived to be fairly strong here Kx mostly that isn't folding so I'm not worried about him bluffing. Also we ARE fairly strong in this spot! We have 6 combos each of TT-QQ but we will also have a lot of Kx combos here and all the sets also. I wouldn't begin bluff catching with the bottom of our range when most of range is calling. I'm checking all my Kx OTR to bluff catch and probably betting my sets although I like to use these as x/r as I mentioned villain is not calling much so I rather give I'm the chance of making a mistake of bluffing or thin value betting Kx and us putting him in a tough spot.

AP Calling his raise is I believe a fairly disastrous mistake.

Hey Everize,

I play 25nl/50nl currently and was advised by my coach to call q/QQ and AKo when facing 3bets here but it wouldn't be awful to gii. From what I know players begin stacking with JJ more commonly from 100nl onwards so its becomes more attractive to stack with QQ for sure. I think less people are stacking off with QQ now than a few years ago but it may be a trend that returns in a few months.

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