Stayinschool

Obviously we can adjust to the player pool I said that, however, the pool is still diverse enough that we still have to be balanced in some spots, like I said i'm not balanced everywhere and usually do things like under bluff. However I still maintain some balance. For instance if I 3 bet and go bet bet shove, I mostly have value on bovada exploitably, but I still have some bluffs.

I mean not total balance, you should adjust to the player pool. I'm sure I under bluff from GTO and take some exploitable value lines.

However, in this situation, when we raise flop we are going to get folds, maybe not as many folds as we should but when people are still folding a decent amount I want to have some bluffs.

... we don't know if we are vs a fish or a nit so we have to maintain some balance.

I mostly play in the bovada zone games ATM so being balanced is going to be important.

No it is not, its a common miss conception that you only played placed to protect from being directly exploited. Even if people don't adjust to us we obviously still need to have some bluffs. People are not always going to call down, they will fold a lot of the time... even if they are fish. If we only have value bets and no bluffs they are exploiting us every time they fold, even if they don't know it.

People are going to call down sometimes, and fold sometimes. That is why you should have some bluffs, for the times they fold, and some value bets, for the times they call.

So if he has KTo he is just going to call down? You still have to bluff fish sometimes.

What are you talking about? Are you saying when we have a value hand we always get called down? No we don't, we are going to get folds, and very likely more folds then calls. Also what do you mean this isn't reasonable stakes? Since when is 2/4 not reasonable stakes. There are some very good regs in these games, some of which who post on here.

Even if both players are fish we have to bluff, what if they both just have A high or K high, folding them off those hands is very good. Are they going to call us down with those hands, no. Both have very wide ranges, which are unlikely to have hit the flop.

What hands are you bluffing turn with then? We have to have turn bluffs, we are going to have 7x and Jx to value bet

Think that range is too tight pre. Fine to call KTs and 55 pre here

Think a bluff is very unlikely. But this is bovada and anything is possible. Can this ever be worse value though?

we are MP

This is almost never AA or worse

Seems ok, I generally flat QJs pre. Is not great blocking hearts but blocking AQ, AJ is important

Doesn't it become hard to balance a turn shove range with bluffs?

I called and V had 34hh

Anyone do anything different at any point?

I didn't. Still interested to see what people think.

I decided to call and he did end up having 44. I'm not in love with my line

no folding here

my bad about 400 eff. that was a typo, not sure how that got in there. Actually 700 eff.

Yea, our assumptions are slightly different as I might value bet a little tigher but also bet bigger due to how I think the player pool plays on bovada but think we get to a similar conclusion. I also forgot about AJs which is a good point.

What if he decideds to C bet a QJ QK type hand. I think it's reasonable to say some people would check back those hands. Not everyone plays perfect and this is bovada

yea really don't love 3 bet.

Like besides KJs what are your bluffs? And we can fold out some better hands than JJ. You think all Qx or overpairs are calling

I have some 89s, J9s too.