Jeff

Feels like there should be a term for this EV...something like True EV? (Feel free to credit me for my unique idea)

I far prefer a flop raise tbh, esp as we can bomb a lot of turns

Hey Chris, that'd be absolutely awesome, will definitely holler! I've been recently doing something quite similar and to good effect with the studying, having a coffee and studying, and playing hours after where the findings get the marinate a little. I remember reading an article about how sleep, no matter how short, is imperative for something sticking and becoming more instinctive when I was pulling all nighters for school, and think I might try doing some work a couple hours after sessions as well towards the end of my day.

Gl in Vegas dude, run pure!

Hey Phil, really appreciate the read through, now I'm more than a bit displeased at how little I've put into this journal.

I think I was a little arrogant in assuming the pace of the studying I was putting in would hold. I mean, its far more usual for myself, and I'm sure others to binge study while inspired, and then go on a hiatus when things are going fine/good. Naturally, I fell into the ...sabbatical phase, and haven't put in nearly the same effort as I had earlier in the month. I still review sessions quite regularly, and do HHs on another site before play, but for far less time than I had originally banked on. With that said I'm glad I find it somewhat addictive debating ideas/strategy with others on hands, and I think that's a decent avenue for learning/not stagnating. The idea that you can have a intuition on something, apply your framework to prove some strategy is greater than another, and then have your framework challenged is kind of awesome, very engineering-esque. I agree wholeheartedly the mental fatigue from really going indepth with study is a bit too demanding to put a good session in afterwards. Frankly, now I think it best to simply allocate the time for study as if it was just another session entirely (cheers DirtyD).

The internal debate of site of choice is based on nothing in particular, barring some mild ego driven want to play vs stronger players and rack up a good sample to prove to myself I'm getting better than I was on previous samples on stars.....which while writing seems so flimsy of a reason. I feel confident in saying I could beat the games, but if hourly is lower....it seems like a costly endeavor for pride.

I think I should stick with bodog to be honest, the games are so very 2010, its beyond absurd to long for games like that and think of the missed value when I didn't play then, but then to leave them now. I couldn't feel more motivated now to really give 100% on putting in the work and sessions, and I swear I'll update this thread at a much higher frequency.

Thanks all for the kind words and advice, you got a seriously solid community here!

Update, been playing quite well, ran the roll up to 2.8k with the help of 2nd in a 5kgtd 33$6max, and am considering my options of what to do. I thiiiink I'm gunna take the roll out, use half for life shit, and deposit the other half to stars.to play some 50nl and see how that goes. Seems silly, but am really wanting to grind some volume on stars, prob just 9-12tbl reg speeds, and it'll incentivize me to study more. I think in a month I'll get another couple k on bodog to play some 100nl and potentially merge the rolls when 200 becomes a thing.

Ignoring zone, which is....another k or so, here the reg speed graph
http://imgur.com/Wyrxazw

Interesting spot

BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero (BB): 115 BB
UTG: 108 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Qd
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (12.5 BB, 4 players) Ts 9d 5d
Hero checks, MP bets 6.25 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.25 BB, Hero raises to 24.5 BB, MP calls 18.25 BB, fold

Turn : (67.75 BB, 2 players) 4c
Hero checks, MP bets 68 BB, fold

MP wins 134.25 BB

So it's been ages, been a bit busy with things. Will post some HHs soon, quick update, the roll is alive and well, have withdrawn some and its still at >2k, which combined with a fairly massive game plan of bum hunting fullring, especially when its shorthanded, has led to some serious upswonging. Stay tuned.

Can't see many worse hands here for V, and tbh don't we have A5/AK/AQ/AJ all at some frq to consider?

UTG: 85.26 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 30)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qs Qh
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) Jh Kc 5s
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero checks, UTG bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

River : (37 BB, 2 players) 2h
Hero checks, UTG bets 18.5 BB

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iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players

MP: 66.05 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

SB: 85 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero (UTG+1): 97 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Kd
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) Kh 6d Ad
SB checks, Hero bets 5.5 BB, fold, SB calls 5.5 BB

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) Qh
SB checks, Hero bets 13.02 BB, SB raises to 33 BB, Hero

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iPoker - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hero (BB): 101 BB

CO: 94.9 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Th
fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.5 BB, 2 players) Qs Js 8d
Hero checks, CO bets 4.24 BB, Hero calls 4.24 BB

Turn : (14.98 BB, 2 players) Kd
Hero checks, CO bets 8.98 BB, Hero raises to 28.92 BB, CO calls 19.94 BB

River : (72.82 BB, 2 players) Kh
Hero

Yeah all tables are anon and after a lot of work, I've come up with strategies that are quite good vs gen pop. I have a hud that uses per session stats which when the right stats are used are actually quite valuable. I think MPN would be a fun site to mess around with the low rake, decent volume and anon tables, which fish love.

So rolls doing quite well, playing 50nl now regularly, and doing quite well, will post a month graph soon. Shame that I havent imported and zone hands, up heaps there, and reg volume is only like 10k hands.

Wiz, I got full faith in Bodog having a fair RNG and whatever, collusion I'm sure is evident, but haven't seen any foul play. To be fair, the rake is fine (with zero rakeback it kinda sucks), but the play/table selecting and sheer profitability is nuts, and can't see myself leaving for another site for a while tbh. Like everytime I consider going back to stars for 50nlz, I think....why not just shottake a soft 100nl table? The winrate is higher, reduces session variance, and the hourly is quite nice as well. Like, I have a sample (albeit when I wasn't nearly as solid) beating 50nlz for 2bb/100, and if I played now lets say it 4. Thats like 11 or whatever with rakeback, where a 8bb/100 50nl on bodog at a meager 280 hands an hour is the same. Add in heads up/a 100nl table even at 6bb/100, and its far less variance heavy to boot. Might change my mind, but not atm.

Figured my hourly was higher on Bodog especially given I never achieved Supernova. Also, while I love the game and studying it, I feel the higher winrate and less variance of Bodog suits my mental state atm much more.

Week has gone well, did a fair bit of volume, running a fair bit below AIEV for sure but generally running well. Will post some hands shortly, but overall super pleased at my gameplay and study, and being off stars!

Dumb spot is dumb. It seems on the zone games people have .....supremely varying 3b strats.

Hero (BTN): 94 BB
SB: 56.55 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qd 7d
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop : (5 BB, 2 players) Qc 3s 6s
SB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) Ad
SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

River : (23 BB, 2 players) 7h
SB bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

SB shows Qh Qs (Three of a Kind, Queens)

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Flop I was kind of lost as to what our exact hand/range wants to bet, given the dumb spr. Also 4b sizing should of been more, like 28, but I was timing out!

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ad
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, BTN calls 14 BB

Flop : (51.5 BB, 2 players) 8h Jd Kd
Hero bets 21.75 BB, BTN calls 21.75 BB

Turn : (95 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero bets 56.75 BB, BTN calls 56.75 BB

River : (208.5 BB, 2 players) Qh

BTN shows Jh Td (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Limping 'strategies' from utg-co baffle me...I mean when I run into some weird nutty hand whats there to be said? If he has that he can have x for value that we beat so no big deal? Some spots I saved to work on later.

Utg 80bb eft limps, we 5x w AA on BU, BB 100bb flats. We bet 3 into ~4 on JT4r, both call. Pot 13 utg jams ~pot on 8 bdfd to the J, we block no fd. I mean, sure, bb can have 2p+ here, and us calling/rejamming can get us in tricky spots, but wtf does utg play this way. I cant see a fish limping TT+, so exclusively 44/ JT all combos, maybe 88, maaaybe some AQ/AK bdfd, maybe 89 all combos......I can also believe some Jx, can't see many 2 pairs tbh. Sigh call or fold?

Relatively routine spot, utg 50bb opens 3x, we flat 88 on bu, sb 75bb cc. x\s to us on 66Jr, just wondering how we construct betting and checking ranges here. 88 seems to benefit more from betting than checking I assume? given the likely wide ranges though are we ever printing more money from checking?

Another similar cb spot (I've been realllly trying to get better at cb frq given likely rfi/cc per pos) Utg we open Akcc 100bb efc and bu cc. Do we cb on Tc8dQd? I mean, it seems fine both ways and probably not a big deal, but given a call, do we really barrel a low club? Do we bet an A non d?

So thats it for now, session down a stack, pretty routine 45 min sesh and not much to report.

Muuuch appreciated dude. Eagerly awaiting your input!

Yeah my bad we chop w worse Kx. I think though we def have 55/kj/kt at a high frq, I mean, we prob dont 3b anyof them, we don't raise flop as exploitatively there's higher ev in letting him spew/vb worse, and while raising his 1/3psb is fine, I think its higher ev if we just call. I suppose we have some KQ in range as well, and obv we raise fh's, but a call here is a chop at best? He can have all fh in range, has few bluffs, and his bd AQhh/dd gets there too. I think given genpop reads he doesnt have enough bluff combos here as well, and I get wanting to call in theory, but....eh

Flatting A2-5s co v utg is gunna suck longterm imo, esp given rake. Flatting 9% in general vs utg cant be great as an overall strat

Meh, if a reg table is 70h/hr and you win at 10bb/10, or 5bb/100 at zone, zone is better hourly.

Why cant we have 55/KJ/KT all combos, and up to KTo for Kx at some frq? Do we really think he bombs missed fd? He doesnt do this with worse Kx, and we clearly have a K. Sure his sizing is polarizing, but at 50nlz, dude aint bluffing here, so he's vb, and our hand does poorly vs his vb. I can see why you wanna call, but this is a rather simple exploitative fold.

100% agree, also I don't love the cb here tbh.