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Hunter Cichy really enjoyed this series. There are a couple of points I would like to make regarding plays that I have seen happen throughout the series that I would like to get your thoughts on:

In an earlier video there was a flush and straight turn and you made a comment saying that the only size should be pot. Is this just a live only/fish only strategy? I have played some really strong players online in HU that love to go both third pot and full pot on these turns with lots of different types of hands in both sizes (straights with flush blockers, sets with flush blockers, nut flushes with no board pairs or straight blockers and small flushes). This absolutely bamboozles me and I have found it one of the toughest spots to defend with adequate XC and XR ranges in both lines. It seems to be much easier to defend this spot versus pot than versus somebody who plays a mixed strategy.

On the hand in this series where Austin rivers second nuts, how is it not a consideration for him to lead 1/3 pot or pot with different parts of his range? If he is calling turn with his exact combo and other similar combos, you get a super easy check back with all hands without the Ace of clubs (Maybe some Q of clubs). Does he think that you are over bluffing flush rivers and wants to go for a thinnish XR?

All in all really insightful and a series that I have thoroughly enjoyed. You break things down in a very simple and effective way.

Thanks

Richard Gryko on the last hand are your bluff catchers only hands that contain TT and JJ in with this ICM pressure? If we are opening tighter than for chip EV how many hands do we have that contain those combos that check call twice and can still beat Samuli's QXXX three barrel bluffs? Does Samuli ever fold T7 to a XR all in given how shallow they are and given Le should have so few bluffs in this spot because of the ICM? In fact does Le have any XR bluffs at all in this line? This is a fascinating spot. Great video as always

Luke Johnson thanks for the feedback, do you ever go through Pokertracker and look at some of these bigger spots that you aren't involved in post-session if something look extremely fishy, or are you hyper focused on your hands and the spots that you play?
Do you think that the best players in the world are balanced multi way in these flush spots where the machine would smooth call so many of the Ks combos? I remember seeing a Sauce video years ago on monotone boards where GTO saw both players check down to the river quite often with their flushes and then go 3bet/4bet/all with a massive SPR and it struck me that this was one of the places where the biggest deviations from GTO happen in the real world. I am sure that things have evolved drastically in the high stakes since, but in your local $5-10 game these spots amongst others could be the place where we gain masses of EV versus the average player.

Luke Johnson did you see how intensely Ivey was looking into Daniel's face during that river bet? This is something that I have noticed with him time and time again when watching streams of high stakes tournaments and cash games. It was as if he knew that the half pot turn, 150% river didn't make sense as you were suggesting. When you are playing multi table online how do you gain these sort of insights with hands that you are not involved in when you have so many tough decisions to make? If you were at a table with the best players in the world and a couple of recreational players, do you think that you would have the mental bandwidth to spot this sort of thing? How would you then proceed when facing a similar line against yourself, knowing that they know you are also one of the best players at the table and might not take this line with their bluffs?

Phil Galfond for some reason I can't reply to your reply.

Yes I agree that is the case on the first part, too much of their range is probably medium strength hands versus optimal. Does this mean we should be raising flop with more bluffs or is this a spot where IP has such an Ax disadvantage that there are no raises?

On the second part about over-folding even in theory, should we start thinking about using exploits like min betting flop and turn OOP. I know this has lots and lots of merit in NL and top players are using these strategies all the time short handed and heads up, but with mechanics of PLO, will this actually work in practise?

BTW I watched some of your earliest videos on RIO last year when you were playing Sauce/Gus/Ziigmund, have you ever revisited them? They are really good in terms of the point you made about learning to think. AFAIK there were no PLO solvers then, I think even private ones weren't available, but your discussions on ranges and bet sizing were really impressive considering there were no GTO solutions available.

Hey Phil, on the AA34T hand at the very end, there are a few questions that I would like to ask:
In my experience in play stakes up to 2k, these spots deviate from solver so much that we should make big deviations from optimal play against all but the very best players. Vision says that OOP should have Ax 23% of the time on turn and check these 65% of the time.Vision also says that IPs exact hand should be betting 75% pot 60% of the time on turn, and 789T 45% of the time and so on. Solver checks such a high frequency OOP because all of these combos mix two barrel bluffs IP, when in reality this doesn't happen in my games (maybe it does in yours). The really good players probably find 6678/6778/6788, 3XXX as well as the 56 combos, but no way do they find these random hands. In reality I would guess that most OOP players have less than half the amount of slow plays that Vision does because nobody is balanced enough on these static boards to bluff the right amount IP, so OOP bets way more to try to force money in (At lower stakes it is more like, 'I have an A and I want to get some money in the pot ASAP'). So should our first deviation be to massively overbluff turn when checked to twice in these softer games, because population doesn't have enough Ax to take two streets of betting? In your course, everything I took from it was about equity vs frequency being much more important in PLO, but in these spots where EV is static how do you find the right amount of bluffs and the right combos when equity isn't as much of a factor against the players that are balanced enough with their trips?
As played, when we get to the river, we should in theory be calling with the top 66% of our range unless OOP is way way underbluffing. If IP isn't bluffing any of those random hands mentioned above on flop or turn, and we think OOP has less Ax than they should, then KT should be a call in theory, especially as it blocks KK which is villains most common value hand for this sizing? How often does OOP bet JJ and QQ for this sizing? Does OOP ever had KT for value? Does IP have enough JJ/QQ/KK that hasn't bet itself on turn to have a strong enough range on river to be able to defend enough against this bet and fold KT?

There is a good chance that my thought process may have gotten muddled up here, so if it has please point me in the right direction on where it has gone wrong and how to put it straight.

Thanks for making videos again, it is appreciated!

Very good content

Amazing video thank you Nuno Alvarez

Mega video Luke Johnson, although I felt stressed out for you with those time banks. If you were starting out now, knowing the landscape of 6-max versus HU, where would you spend your time and energy?

Sorry, sure 11:25 Luke Johnson

Richard Gryko What site is this?

Great vid @Clanty. With the KT hand, which hands are better river bets than this one? Seems like one for sure that would be jamming. If you get to the river using the BCB line, what does KTss do against a shove?

Really enjoyed that Richard Gryko thank you

Thanks @Phil really enjoyed the video. In vegas next week so hope to see you grinding in the ARIA PLO streets

Would like to see part 3/4 please

+1

Ben Sulsky Doug literally said you that you are the smartest guy to ever have played the game a year after your heads up match, then Phil Galfond said on a podcast recently that yourself, Ben86 and Berri were the only players he would refuse action on in the HUPLO challenge he played last year. You must be able to remember broadly remember what was going on across those timelines :-) Even the some information on the state of the games now, why you never transitioned to high stakes tourneys like Ike or why you never went to Macao to play in the juicy games when Durrr did. Also who your friends are in Poker. There are many of us on the site that would love to hear about all this stuff. You could even do an old school 'Well" type thing that all the legends did on 2+2 back in the day but in video format, where people submit questions.

Ben Sulsky I would love to get a documentary type video from yourself, showing interesting hands about what the game was like pre Black Friday, post Black Friday when you were considered the top 5 players alive across all the different games, going all the way until you stopped playing professionally. It would be amazing to see your databases across those times, how stats have changed and who the best players you faced were year-by-year across different games. It would also be amazing to hear your understanding of the modern ecosystem at high stakes including tournament poker, live cash and app games. As one of your biggest fans, something like that would be one of the most engaging pieces of content that could be produced. Hope you are enjoying life and thanks for all the amazing content over the years

Ben Sulsky Great to hear you back doing videos again!!!

Thank you, great video!

I think it is absolutely incredible that you can still crush the toughest regular running NL cash game in the world whilst not working as hard at the game as you did four or five years ago. I hope that came across as complimentary as it was meant. Really appreciate you still producing great content!

Would you be able to tell us what the colours mean so that we can understand any adjustments from GTO that you make versus different player types?

Is scripting for turns and rivers possible?

I am up for this, play 6 max 100 Zoom at the moment and would like to get involved in a study group

Thanks Twinskat, will have a go at running them now via script

Hi Guys

Sorry I have been busy over the last few days, but now the UK is pretty close to full lockdown I will be able to spend some more time on here. Here are the screenshots for the T22 board. I look forward to hearing back on this.

I did script them all yes, how can I go back and cluster them together?

Twinskat, I thought the 184 flop subset would be the most comprehensive way to study, but could be wrong obviously.

I use EC2 for Pio as I am an apple user. It was a bit fiddly at first but now I have scripts running constantly. You need to get enough storage to save the trees, then download them to Dropbox. Each tree for BTN vs BB in two bet pots are 4GB, so it’s better just to run a few flops at a time and then upload to Dropbox. Let me know what help you need