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I thought this video was particularly valuable. Turn spots to me are toughest, but how to properly build river betting ranges and with what size can also be tough. The discussion on board pairing was especially useful and how previous streets actions shape our sizing.
Thanks Frankie!
Dec. 18, 2024 | 11:29 p.m.
Great review, Matt.
15:45 and 20:45 given the near bubble play and increased fold equity, are you triple barreling these hands a lot or do you shut down since you have straightforward opponents calling twice aleady?
34:30 I likely would have bet flop, check back turn if he calls then bluff river. How do you feel about that line?
Thanks!
Dec. 18, 2024 | 12:13 a.m.
Hey Ryan,
4:43 these massive overbets have always interested me in terms of practicality outside of solver land. Do you often use these sizings?
10:00 if you were to lead turn would you look to overbet?
12:45 if the 3 bettor were 100bb deep do you prefer to flat instead of back raise?
Thanks!
Dec. 17, 2024 | 10:43 p.m.
Thanks Nathan. I don't get to play plo8 or big O a whole lot so my focus with it is to just try and maintain a decent understanding of it in case a cash game pops up. My goal for the next 5 months is more focused on nlh and the 8 game rotation as I prep for the wsop.
Dec. 17, 2024 | 8:35 p.m.
Yeah I'll definitely go back and review the other videos. I watch so many videos and study as many variants as I can that questions pop up in the moment as I'm watching that may have been covered in a video I watched a month ago or even longer. As such I may ask those questions again as I may have not remembered the concept.
With regard to #4, if we only had the nut low and a weaker 2 pair would you consider a smaller bet to target a wider range of calling hands?
Dec. 17, 2024 | 7:02 p.m.
1:07:00 haha yeah, what would you do :)
Dec. 15, 2024 | 8:32 p.m.
Thanks for the great response. 42:30, yeah in the video I believe you said he was capped because he did not lead.
Dec. 15, 2024 | 8:26 p.m.
Thank you as always for your thorough replies. In the hand at 32:35 I didn't type the question well. I meant if you have paired a card from the board. In that case do you c92nsider the xr? Sorry about that. Thanks!
Dec. 15, 2024 | 3:12 a.m.
Hey Jeremy,
4:30 table 1 t9, if you bet turn are you blocking and calling it off?
If you were a little deeper would another check raise on turn be a good play?
22:00 table 3 aj, if you had a spade in your hand blocking some of his bluffs do you lean more toward folding?
Thanks!
Dec. 13, 2024 | 11:50 p.m.
Looking forward to part 2!
15:00 table 1 kkq3 is this not a spot where you would rather polarize and bet bigger?
32:35 table 1 aa83, if you had the Ad with a board pair can you consider xr bluffing?
Thanks!
Dec. 13, 2024 | 11:20 p.m.
Another excellent review!
What is your opinion on playing a3 hands from ep as an open in full ring games? From my study, it seems marginal unless it is super premium.
As a follow up, if you play a3 hands a lot, will you call raises with them?
20:20 in a lot of spots where opponent checks back turn it seems to cap their range. How do you feel about also using a smaller river bet to induce a call from weak hands?
If the river was an 8 instead givng us a weaker 2pr with the nl would you use a smaller bet?
28:10 do you generally flat raises with high only hands? Will you fold if you are in earlier position?
Do you open raise high only hands from early position?
Thanks!
Dec. 13, 2024 | 11:05 p.m.
Great video. The turn play was especially helpful as was the drill practice at the end.
6:00 when it comes to defending second and third pair hands, it seems across all a, k, q, and j high boards the ev of calling isn't great. When I look to defend these hands my decision comes down more to the player i am against rather than gto freq or rolling for it. Do you think that is reasonable?
25:05 using 253% with kj type hands seems very counterintuitive vs real people. I don't see any worse calling and if our oppoment is even slightly balanced they will have enough traps and only be continuing with slowplayed big hands. This doesn't seem like a good way to play the hand in real life.
Thanks!
Dec. 12, 2024 | 11:13 p.m.
Great review!
16:05 do you always lead in a 2 2 spot when you improve? What about vs a tight range?
42:30 was a similar spot where you capped his range because he didn't lead in a 2 2 2 spot.
Thanks!
Dec. 12, 2024 | 7:06 p.m.
Enjoyed the review. I like the use of the replayer to show live hands. It made it much easier to follow.
Dec. 12, 2024 | 12:31 a.m.
Enjoyed the format and the backrounds!
13:00 and 15:00 the cold 4 and the 3bet oop. These spots to me, in a game where no one ever folds pre, seems to just increase variance. Is it worth it to engage in the preflop raise/reraise stuff?
In the plo tournaments I have played, there is a lot of limping. Do you limp behind with a wider range or do you stick to your normal open range and iso raise?
27:30 coming from nlh, a lot of our turn donking range comes from middle or bottom card pairing. Is there a lot of donking in plo when the top card pairs?
Does that apply to raised pots as well?
55:40 you mentioned ip having straights in his range. Do you think he checks back turn with enough straight draws that it makes a river value bet from you no good?
Thanks!
Dec. 12, 2024 | 12:06 a.m.
A lot of interesting concepts in this one.
1:25 should he have many blocks here? The K is good for his range but it seems like he can go half pot at least with all of his value range amd corresponding bluffs.
If he were oop instead, would a block be more reasonable?
3:40 how do you feel about his jam?
21:45 is this an overbet spot on the turn for opponent? I don't know that we have a huge nut advantage and I would have gone closer to pot or slightly less.
Thanks!
Dec. 10, 2024 | 11:41 p.m.
I've always struggled with turn play so I appreciate this video. Showing how we play oop was especially helpful.
Dec. 10, 2024 | 12:43 a.m.
Really enjoyed the hu exploration.
What are the biggest mistakes you think get made going from ring poker to hu?
20:30 is his call standard on the turn with aq? Maybe with how wide ranges are in hu?
If it were 6max would it be a turn fold?
Thanks!
Dec. 7, 2024 | 9:32 p.m.
Hey Callum,
First hand, if our opponent is not very well balanced with his turn chk line, can we just go ahead and barrel turn? I feel we will have enough ax we bet on flop to make this work.
First hand, on the river you mention a 66% bet sizing with some boats and ax, but won't we have some pairs 77-tt we want to bet as well, or is that too thin?
28:25 table 1 what do you make of the opponents jam with tt?
This is a great format. Thanks!
Dec. 5, 2024 | 10:47 p.m.
Hey Paul,
Thanks for the responses.
Regarding 26:00, yeah I would check to check fold flop. To me, we are oop with a dynamic board and our visibility sucks. If we bet flop we fold to a raise anyway I feel. I don't think we have good cards for future playability and don't have any additional eq.
Dec. 5, 2024 | 1:48 a.m.
Great series, Ryan. Looking forward to the 320 review.
9:55 it is surprising the bb has so few non all in 3bets. I would be looking to induce a bit wider. Do you incorporate more non allin 3bets here?
Thanks!
Dec. 4, 2024 | 10:10 p.m.
Hey Brian,
9:00 on a brick river do you jam? I know having hearts is bad, but he would likely have bet his flush draws on the flop and his range seems pretty capped.
29:20 do you ever consider a lead on the turn? Would it be better for a lead if opponent was in later position or was a little looser?
Thanks!
Dec. 3, 2024 | 9:05 p.m.
Enjoyed the review.
5:35 you talked about only wanting to use one size on the turn. Do you find that is too limiting on your ability to extract thinner value especially with jx and to bluff a little wider? I probably would have bluffed the 98 on the turn for 40% pot or so.
Thanks!
Dec. 2, 2024 | 10:06 p.m.
Fear is a big one. For me it is deeper in tournies where I don't make a play i should because i am afraid of it not working or of the chips i will lose even if it is +ev and good with icm. That fear of having come so far to just blow it all up from one misplay.
Dec. 1, 2024 | 5 a.m.
Great series, Alex.
2:00 are you doing this raise size with a 50bb stack behind where they are unlikely to jam? Maybe they 3bet and the original raiser jams then I see that working.
22:30 so vs a linear range are you folding low Axs?
33:00 with you not folding really anything to the small bet, why does solver use it? It seems going at least 50% and not range betting would be the preferred strategy unless vs an opponent who overfolds.
Thanks!
Dec. 1, 2024 | 4:59 a.m.
Appreciated the chip ev to icm comparisons.
27:30 these spots where we raise broadways whether chip ev or icm, confuse me. I always float but never raise because I feel the overcards have good value in and of themselves. If we raise, pocket pairs are never folding so we have to barrel off. If we raise good ax, we only get worse ax to fold. I guess raising kx can get ax to fold but that is it. Raising just seems high variance.
42:37 kinda similar concept. What benefit is there to raising aq, aj etc...
Thanks!
Dec. 1, 2024 | 4:57 a.m.
Great deep dive into icm ranges. I still struggle with flat calling too much from the final 2 tables on. This was a big help.
Dec. 1, 2024 | 4:55 a.m.
Great live play. Hope to see more.
2:55 table 1 a864, the structure seems weak with bottom and top gap in the 3 card rundown. Add in we are oop, is this call making much?
4:05 table 2 q987 on the ace turn would we prefer to bet polar and go pot?
8:30 table 1 at88 if the river bricked are you bluffing or does the 88 have enough sdv to check?
26:00 table 1 aq44 this board seems very dynamic. Wouldn't you prefer to polarize here and check our hand?
Thanks!
Dec. 1, 2024 | 4:54 a.m.
Hey Tyler,
15:30 would elamawy look to check more with a9, k9, q9 so that when he picks up 2pair on turn he can extract value from turned top pair?
24:50 this seems to turn any overpair into a set mine. At what point does the strength of the overpair stand on it's own? QQ+?
Thanks!
That first hand was interesting. I probably don't float turn, but I would never have bluffed river. I don't see having enough value combos to include a5. I also don't see having enough kx.
7:50 solver shows a preference for calling a5 over a4. Is that because the 5 has some interaction with the 98 for future straights?
Great review. Thanks!
Dec. 19, 2024 | 11:38 p.m.