SmokeAndMirrors

@paradigm24 Thanks for your awesome, detailed post!!

More about the SPR13 situation: How can I best determine my "capturable EQ"? I assume the best way to do this is to do a bunch of simulations away from the table so that I can accurately estimate capturable EQ at the table. Besides Pro poker tools simulator and the odds oracle is this something you would use Poker Juice to calculate?

Finally about facing pot size raises on the flop it is still not clear to me that you can say, you are getting 2-1 and therefore you need 33% equity to continue, because often you can't realize that equity because when you miss your draw on the turn you are now faced with a big pot sized bet. If you do decide to call a turn barrel then you get to realize your equity but it was very expensive to do so because you had to call on two different streets. Maybe you know where I can go to learn more about "capturable EQ" books/videos/posts. I have all the Jeff Hwang books, Rolf's books, the 2+2 PLO book, and the old book by Chiffone/Ruben. This is my first time hearing the term "Capturable Equity" Thanks!

I have considered getting the Tom Chambers Full Ring book to help solve these spots

Right now the only way I know how to solve these type of flop situations is just to calculate the EV of all possibilities in a decision tree and then make some assumptions about how your opponent would play.

@erdian: I believe you, it might be extremely easy for you. For me its not clear. I have years of experience playing limit games at mid/high stakes LHE,Stud/Stud8,O8/Decue/and some other mix games. Alot of the good mix games and limit games at higher stakes have dried up or are dying. There is clearly alot of money in PLO right now and I'm trying to learn PLO the right way to build a good foundation.

I've had some really good success in PLO playing a short stack but I am working on learning to play deep. Part of that is understanding routine spots like this: what if I flop a gutshot + fd $2500 deep (250bbs deep) in late position 5 way. Is that a bet or check back? And if its a bet how much to bet and how to play against a check raise.

I'm willing to learn/discuss the merits of 3-betting preflop and that's why I posted that comment from Zachary Freeman. Ok, so its your opinion that its a easy 3-bet preflop. Great so now why not comment on how you might play it deep stacked 5 way if it was not 3-bet preflop.

There are some really good players here and some beginners and everyone in-between. One thing we all have in common is that we are trying to work/learn/share to improve our game and win more $$$$$$ :)

Thanks for the comments! Still hoping Phil Galfond will post :)

Being $1200 deep I think with SPR 6-1 I’m fine with bet getting it in. But what really got me thinking about this hand was, what if I am $2500 deep? Now the SPR is 13-1

A)I don’t think I want to bet get in
B)I don’t think I want to bet fold this big draw
C)Bet call is not clear cut if my opponent has a set(which they may not have). I’m a 2-1 dog to a set but only if I see the river. I am about 3.1-1 dog to improve on the next card so If I get raised full pot here I can only call(against a set) if I can expect big implied odds. Basically I need, when the flush turns, to get big action(more than it would be correct for a set to call)

Equity vs a set

Equity vs top two

Equity vs Wrap + fd and a random card

Equity vs Naked Wrap +fd

Finally about 3 betting this hand preflop:
Zachary Freeman wrote about the hand type ABBX when commenting on a different hand played by Phil Galfond in his video

Link to the video and Freeman's comments

Its a totally different hand but he mentioned this: "a concept you discussed a couple years ago on BFP. Where you discussed not liking to 3b these type of hands because you are squarely within your perceived range but with a weak version of it. So you neither achieve deception nor large equity advantages. You will less often cooler villains and will flop less equity in form of NFDs BD draws etc to combat villains attacking boards that don't coincide with your perceived range well.”

I’m sure a 3-bet preflop is fine and so is a flat. I’m 120BBs deep here how do you like it if you 3-bet and get 4-bet? Also there is something to be said for the point that if you 3-bet this hand you do have a weak version of your “perceived range”.

Thanks in advance