Shutoutfan

The hard truth is: This is the state of the game. The rake on micros and lowstakes just sucks. The environment is more competitive than ever. I just don't give much about these comments that the game is still beatable because I read them so often and then you see the same guys playing the same micros half a year later. Its beatable if you are good but there are also things you can't influence like variance.

If I look at my stats I have an insane wr at deep tables. Samplesize is lol but the winnings would still mean that I could have moved up if I only played them.

I also think that lots of the videos you see about PLO just aren't made for micros. When rake is such a big factor playing superloose needs a very good understanding of the game otherwise you just burning money. Esp on zoom I think its better to play more shorter sessions for example few 30-45 minute sessions and then take a short break. I am just always baffled how much money you burn if you play with reduced focus for few minutes.

Well you have to be really good. There was a challenge recently on twoplustwo of a guy making 100 stacks in 30 days and he was done very early. He also had a challenge before that with building a roll from 100$ and made it to PLO100.

I dont know about longterm winrates because you should really go for moving up quickly where rake is better. Get a roll and then probably go bumhunting over several sites. If you want to stay on zoom for SNE or rakeback purposes you have to be good. Average just doesnt cut it anymore and I think that reality should everyone accept before depending on a steady income from PLO. Zoom might be a fast way to volume but it might be better to grind normal tables to get better.

Cliffs: Its beatable if you are good. Rake just will eat you up when you make to many mistakes.

I don't think that is a decent draw 4ways here. Checking is fine. I don't think a bet accomplishes much. You don't get value and to get 3 others to fold often enough to make this a profitable bet is pretty optimistic. If you get called so many turncards will make your life miserable. A 8 or 3 don't make you a hand where you would want to get lots of money in. Hitting a queen high flush 4ways doesn't make me comfortable either. Keep the pot small and try to get to showdown.

I wouldn't say thaqt there is more money in PLO than NLHE. Ofc fullring NLHE is pretty dead. PLO is certainly more fun than NLHE but even if your opponents are pretty spewy you will never have the preflop edge advantage you have in NLHE. This means more variance. Rake is also pretty tough esp with the new changes of higher caps when the table isn't full. We reached a point where you have to work on your game regularly to make money longterm so if you dont want to do it professional you should stick to casual and play whatever you enjoy most.

Question: If you had some kind of made hand on the turn wouldn't you want to raise it pot on this board texture?

So at the end its probably just that I am mad because actually hit his miracle card(because flush is more obvious).

So the other question that would come up: If the river is a blank should I also always check?

Not sure that is true. I started fresh 2-3 times the last 2 years or so and I still see a lot of the same players at PLO10. Not sure if you call them regs and they are not very good otherwise they would have moved up by now. Also a lot of players from eastern europe who probably can already make some kind of living playing the micros. There is a lot of fish but you can easily have half of your tables filled with these regs and some other nits so that its not that fun anymore. Add the rake and it gets even harder. You are probably better of with a site which has direct rakeback to move up from the micros.

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How would you continue with TT if you don't hit a set there?

a) A or K on flop

b) any other overcards

c) lowcard-flop

Even if doesn't c/r very often it's not an easy fold. You still have your NutFD and one additional King for the nuts. Since I expect him to get it in with the majority of sets on the flop you might have some outs for better twopair too. I probably bet a litte over 4 to give myself the odds to call it off. I don't think that a smaller bet with the intention of folding is a very good option because if he doesn't have a made hand already you give him the odds to call with his combo-draws. 

Are this numbers correct? 0.28bb/100?

I got -17.78bb/100 in SB and -14.48bb/100 in BB. Its HM1.

Villain has only 13$ behind. I probably go for c/c. You can't really bet anything without being comitted. With checking you give him at least the opportunity to bluff. If you put him allin I don't really see what he will call where you are still ahead.

I don't get why he is being told that he is rather passive. His Aggfactor is >5 from almost every position. I would be more worried that his EP profits are much bigger than in CO/BTN. I agree he seems a little bit on the tighter side from CO but I think he overcompensates on the button. It suggests that he is capable enough to play the better and tighter range and has problems with his loose range from the button. From my recollection there are a lot of multiway pots in zoom on the lower limits. So it might not be the best idea to 3bet too light even in position since most of them isn't folding anyways and you will play a lot of huge pots against players you often have not enough reads on or history with. 

Sam Lang made a few zoom videos and he said that you don't have to play all the borderline hands you would play on a standard table. If he didn't watch them so far that might be a decent start.

Also keep in mind that with the huge rake on these limits hands with borderline equity become clear -EV if you add the rake deduction.

There is also often enough a lot of deeper stacks in zoom. If you are not confident enough playing them it might often be a good decision to close the table if your stack is bigger than 250BB or so. You can always reopen a new table and start with 100BB again.

If we assume he has a 75 then call. Why would you give him the rest of your stack when he is a favourite rather then seeing the river when the potodds are often in your favour.