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there are a lot of possibilities on that board, and one thing is most certain... you're not going to win unless you bet. your analysis about blockers is good, but does this player have a fold in them as far as his table presence is concerned?

I say try and ship it.

this is a very interesting topic... look forward to other inpressions.

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who the heck opens to 10 in a 2/5 game?

Link worked for me just fine...

I have no idea why you are checking any of those streets after flatting pre. as a matter of fact, a re raise pre makes your hand look more like Ax. checking those streets is really not a good thing long term.

1) do I stack off in that spot for 200 BB if CO ships?

Since you started this mess, the answer is yes... do not start what you can not effectively finish. call that shove and cross every finger and toe you have.

2) do I just fold pre?

No... in a live game, this is a reasonable limping/calling hand depending on the action pre.

3) do I just fold the flop after facing a pot size?

No... but certainly, don't CR to $230. @ nearly 4x that's just a plain nutty raise.

what's the bet size relation between live and online... because live oyu will generally see much bigger Cbets in relation to the pot size.

I'm sorry... I think even though our margins are razor thin against a better flushes, vour hand is really disguised here and I am making this river call. I think you played it fine OP.

main argument against a call here is that most of the suited connector flush type cards are already dead unless he's playing really low cards.

what I like here the most is OP's disguised hand range

Man... where are these games in which a player with KK only raises 3x? If this is live play, you need to open it up a bit OP.

By the looks of it, you were dead on the Flop... 2P(5/6o) or Trips. Tough to say without knowing your opponents and there ranges, but I would probably have called the 11.28 though the argument for folding here is very strong if they are solid/tight personalities.

I have to agree.... given the read of player type... I am never folding there. specially in that game 10/20 live with drunks. I think, while you were playing for max value by giving up control, I think that it might have been a bit of a mistake as far as my initial thoughts. i'd have preferred to try and punish drawing hands in this spot even though the flush did come in.

I dont want to get stuck on bet sizing though.

three bet to 65 is smallish... not small. this is live poker where bet sizing is more dramatically exaggerated as a normal part of everyday life. that makes the flop bet smaller and so on down the line. I personally didnt mention it in my original post because it's table specific in that a three bet to 65 may be right in line for table dynamics, and on some loose tables, $75+ is more in line. you did happen to say v was a loose player... make him pay. he's certainly not scared of KK+ pre and more specifically so post flop... punish his arse right up to the point he turns over that broadway... or hopefully just TT. unlike vegandiet, I would say the higher the frequency you have been three betting on the table, the more it opens up the game and allows you to three bet larger in this spot pre flop.

hey matt... I am full time in vegas also and I think the situation of DS versus 100bb online is more a function of the differences between the styles of play... Online versus Live, and less to do with Buy in amounts.

Certainly BI levels can influence play (both live and online) if you happen to be short or if you are extremely deep rolled, but I dont think it's what you are experiencing. Live play is just different and you need to adjust to it accordingly depending on what you are experiencing, specially at lower BB levels. mathematical rules of engagement don't really apply as stringently in live play as they do online as players regularly toss math out the window in favor of the possibility of positive variance and you need to accept that and try and cut it down as much as possible.

if I had to describe the difference between the two , I might call Online play surgical... with a sharp precise scalpel... I would describe live play as being a bit more like trying to do surgery with a steak knife, sometime even like trying to do surgery with a hammer and chisel although hopefully it's not quite that bad.

bet sizing was a little weird for ma also, but I didnt say anything initially.... certainly it's on the low side even if you want him to tag along for the river ride. Make him pay for it.

QFT!
sad but true.

KQ is a good read for this spot... I think JJ folds post flop unless the guy has been loosey goosey and floats consistently in previous spots. TT is also a very distinct possibility, and the way you played it looks a bit like AJs+ so hence the turn shove if he does have a set. there is also a possibility he is spewing with AK, but I dont have the read on him you do. two pair combos for $1200... I dont think so.
cash game I think I am calling this off and cursing the dealer when the board fails to improve/pair. certainly this doesn't look like a spot for a bluff unless the villain has some kind of read on you that a obtuse bluff like this would work... meaning this fails every single time against a novice type player, he needs to have respect for your game to pull this off.

I think the "avoid playing against him" really doesn't apply to this thread because the original question is... how do I play against this LAG... not... how do I not play against him. I don't think you really need to be open to stacking off against him OP as you might have thought by my original post above, but you do need to open up a bit to shut him down. Trying to avoid stacking off with marginal strength hands is going to get you in a lot of trouble.

hand over hand is part of the game... just reload if you can't read your opponents strength,

play recreational players exploitatively, and solid players solidly. I might have re-raised that flop, but flatting is okay sometimes.
yes, folding flop is weakish.

I'm in that game at the B at times... the only thing I see wrong with your line here OP is that CR on the turn. to me that is a flat situation nearly 100% of the time. I also think flatting the turn can look just as strong, if not stronger, in this situation and caps your exposure to risk once you need to get t the river to make your hand.

you've opened up yourself to the CR/shove by the V on the turn when he realizes you are probably on an F draw or AK spew.

the pre flop raise(as is flatting) and the Cbet are perfectly fine.
better luck next time.

I don't think she is calling anything on the river and 280 doesn't seem to out of line(maybe 225$) given the bet sizing up to that point. you might have had her on a FD, which I would have, but perhaps shes was set mining with an over pair like TT ot jacks

I don't know how he came up with 57% either, but that's a game theory statement/play and not related to PLO specifically.

^ty sir... you're a gentleman and a scholar.

as with all things, we are all individuals and have our own capabilities and prowess. On a personal note, I specialize in two games(NLH and PLO) and minor in a couple more that are fairly easy to play... that's about all I can handle and still have positive expectations.

Use pot control techniques to a greater extent, but mix up your betting patterns with some aggression.

Also, contrary to some, I actually open my range up as opposed to tightening(which the LAG want's you to do to polarize you hand). this will possibly have the effect of reigning him in when you do get to show down and you've shown liter range.

I'm not saying out lag the lag, but play good drawing hands with good pot control.

One thing I might also do, is try and get him in in coin flip situations... put his aggression the test.

clouding your decision making, just like your posted retort.

you apparently do seem to have a substantial self esteem issue based solely on your response to my post. Abandonment issues or did your father beat you?

get therapy and good luck with that mate.
over and out.

middle aged Asian man never bluffing?
I can see AM might have TT+ or J/9+(pre-flop, post flop that tightens up significantly)... if you run into 9/9 or A/8, that's just a cooler IMHO.

Without more information, I do get the feeling that AM is over valuing here... which makes me think over pair. So then, is four betting the 425 a bad thing post flop? I think if you do that you may leave some equity on the table for anything that can not call... when you do four bet and get shoved on, you pretty much know where you stand. I hate to say that it's a information bet because that is just terrible for $1000, but you do get information there and some fold equity.

Unfortunately, I am afraid I am calling off here OTR.

great question

calling station status?
one hard issue to break, is the exploitation issue... but you really need to over come this otherwise you'll always be the contributor at the table. Hopefully you are not using the table to represent your own psyche, because it's not... it's a card game. if you loose at the table, it doesn't mean you are a looser in life and lower your personal self esteem.

certainly there is a bit of calling off lite that needs to be done in order to keep ones play from being exploitable, but you need to use your reads of other holdings/ranges to help you augment your understanding of where you are in the hand.

right now, perhaps you are results oriented in that when you make TPTK you go thru the hallelujah syndrome where you celebrate actually making the most menial part of poker, single pair top kicker. in essence your hands matters less than the range of your opponents hand because even is you never make TPTK, you can still use the board texture to represent to your opponent, a winning hand(depending on stake level).