
Plankton
14 points
if you're calling turn I think you are calling river. You assume this guy is bluffing with the information you have. I'd rather fold turn even though it looks fishy, unless he bluffs often and is aggro as hell it's a easy fold IMO cause you are getting crushed
Dec. 17, 2014 | 3:52 a.m.
I'd rather check on river for value even though i'd probably be beat most of time with XQ hands. It's a hard fold. The bet on the river sort of defines your range IMO but you are right. At this stake it's a rare spot that someone would bluff.
Overall well played. Wouldn't change much.
Dec. 17, 2014 | 2:40 a.m.
He's probably not check/min raising you with worse and leading out with worse.
I'd rather call turn. The board doesn't change much and you don't beat much. I think passive players hardly raise, only with the top of there range and call with medium to bottom.
It's really hard to fold to min raise and him being a short stack but getting it on the turn is probably bad in this hand. He's never going to have a bad hand that check raises you on the flop.
So due to his stack size and stats I think you played the hand good. It's coolerish
Dec. 17, 2014 | 2:31 a.m.
I think donk turn, guess hes on draws street of value right there, but x/f to aggresion, I don't think your hand is strong enough to call a reraise on the river, but its close
Dec. 16, 2014 | 1:59 a.m.
bet flop IMO, probably fold on the turn as played. You don't beat much
Dec. 16, 2014 | 1:21 a.m.
I don't really know if you have equity or not, of course you have equity over BB but if SB stats weren't like 3bet >20% and F3bet 80% I find it difficult to even find any Fequity. Maybe if you were super nit and had like A blocker in your hand I may find it more acceptable however.
Tournaments are different however and worth your life so I don't like the play but can understand your thought process but you are never ahead and you basically your only profit is SB folding which is never enough IMO
Dec. 16, 2014 | 1:12 a.m.
it'd be a very difficult fold if he were to shove on the river. It's hard to include AK given how preflop was played. But since this is a tournament and decision is life you may consider a fold but given how was played and the relative stack sizes I think its really difficult for me to fold the river if he were to shove. you just beat so many hands
Dec. 16, 2014 | 1:05 a.m.
I think he never puts you on any A type hands that would call the flop that's why he decided to ship on the turn thinking you would fold our perceived PP hands. I think you'd have to check/shove turn however for this to be profitable. What would you do on the turn if no A or K hit?
That's only assuming the V is capable of doing that. Say the V is super nit would you play the same. He's probably never bluffing this spot but I can imagine any thinking player would play this way.
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:46 a.m.
I would try and get it all in on the flop or turn you play the hand so passively he's going to be betting the river with his entire range. It's hard to fold there IMO
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:36 a.m.
I only play lower then NL100 zoom so you can assume my comment invalid if you want
On the flop if you think he has 88-JJ hands why wouldn't you reraise him right there and try and get it all in before a scare card for him might show up on the turn or river.
However to me his flop bet represents more bluffs then I see him valuing. I would just assume he would reraise a real amount on the flop if he were to get it in. I don't mind leading out on the turn and hopefully inducing a spazz from his bluffs but it would be unlikely so if he were Tagish. It's just really imo his flop bet. Do you believe he wants to get it in or he doesn't believe you have anything?
Hard to get money out of Tagish players, I'd rather focus on not losing as much haha so I think you played it good against him
I think your sizing is ok for a 88-JJ hand to call you on the river but I'd rather bet smaller just because I think he would bet the turn with value hands and he'd play like he did with hands that beat you. If you bet smaller on the river you could find a fold but with a medium size bet It's hard to fold and he would probably play hands that beat you the exact same way like he did.
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:26 a.m.
I'd check back river you don't really get him to fold worse IMO and it's hard to call your bet by worse.
But I don't play your stakes that's just IMO
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:13 a.m.
I think you played it great
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:09 a.m.
Well played!
his stats show he's a passive loose player so flop is definitely fine
Even though he might have KJ and sets sometimes I think you played it great and there is just too many hands he could have on the turn that you would beat
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:07 a.m.
I would call the river, there is just too much you can beat and you have such good odds even though he'd probably have FH sometimes especially the way he'd play it I just think he'd probably shove rather then minish raise you on the river.
It's a weird spot but I just guess he doesn't believe you and was calling you with some sort of straight draws or PP.
Dec. 16, 2014 | 12:04 a.m.
preflop play is fine
I'd rather reraise turn after X'ing behind.
Your flop bet seems kinda fishy, he probably won't put you on J9 and call a lot of his range down with weakish hands IMO. That's why I don't like how you played the turn. However after you call the turn you have to call the river on any blank imo.
I'd rather check back the turn like you're giving up after you flop bet like that and just shove. He'd call you with any draws on a drawheavy board. You can't really play caution to the fact he might have a st8 or flush just because of the way the hand was played. You just gotta assume he's going to bet with any JX club hand any 10X drawy hand as well which his stats does say. Consider folding though if he was a nit.
Dec. 16, 2014 | midnight
IMO I don't prefer flatting preflop. By raising you can define his range while just flatting, its his entire range if he just intended to steal.
I'd rather bet the flop then the turn just because most of the v range is going to call you and by you checking behind you are giving him a free card. You might as well choose to raise flop or raise turn. I don't think your hands really strong enough to raise both streets
It's not really a draw heavy board so I think his hands polarised on the river.
It's a hard fold but it's likely he has you crushed. It's a close tough spot on the river. I would probably end up calling and be crushed a big % of the time with 66
Dec. 15, 2014 | 11:53 p.m.
I think his stats clearly show hes loose passive
I don't mind even checking the flop and just plain giving up unless you improve because he's probably going to call you very lightly. Even though you maybe trying to represent high pocket pairs unless you were going to follow through to make him fold worser I don't think betting the flop is going to be profitable. However betting flop and checking flop is fine imo I just have a problem with what hands would he fold maybe 22 - 99 but its a dry board and V likes to call
I think even if he were to place a medium size bet on the turn, it's a easy fold for me even though you pick up outs just because it's like he's beating you. The only way I see me calling is if V min bet or something smallish that i'd call on the turn
Basically against these players you just wait for a good hand and they'll probably call you with worser
Dec. 15, 2014 | 11:45 p.m.
I think it's standard the way you played it. His stats are too high for you to do anything after you call the flop. I don't mind trying to get all in on the flop however but after you call the flop raise, raising for value after is not good imo. I think the hand is too strong to consider folding preflop against Villians stats even if he's raising UTG.
Well played!
Dec. 15, 2014 | 11:37 p.m.
It should be EV against a V with that stats cold calling you. When you do pick up a hand you'd probably get paid off and when you just have cards at the bottom of your range I believe he may fold. A situation where I don't think it would be EV is a tight player calling you on the button with your raise from UTG where you should be able to narrow his range down to pocketpairs which would barely fold.
IMO by checking back on the flop and folding you give him an opportunity to exploit you. But by leading out with everything and giving up afterwards is better than just completely handing him the pot
Dec. 14, 2014 | 11:55 p.m.
88/40 lol
Wait till you have a good hand and stack em.
Dec. 14, 2014 | 6:12 a.m.
IMO it's standard to play preflop like that. I'd rather prefer to stab once at pot either on the flop or turn after he check backs twice to you, I think it's definitely ok to stab there to get him to fold Pocket Pair hands etc. I think on the river after everything gets there it's going to be a big mistake to bet even though you may get him to fold low PP hands, its only a small percentage of his range that he may even decide to call you with holding a club
Dec. 14, 2014 | 6:06 a.m.
I think the way you played the hand against several opponents on the flop you have 0% FE after you jam the flop.
Would anyone with two Spades just shove on the flop. It's easy for opponents to put you on a hand something like Ax A of spades etc.
Villians could maybe fold K8, A8 or something but I doubt anyone who would call your shove has a worser hand then you. You are basically hoping that KspadesX is going to call you.
It's a gamble shove
I'd rather think checking behind is the optimum play and calling a bet on the flop or turn in relation to the pot with how many outs you have is the way to go
Dec. 14, 2014 | 5:59 a.m.
I think his range is heavily towards Pocket Pair hands and Ahigh card hands raising UTG with 15% RFI and the way he played the hand.
I don't think he would ever fold whatever you bet on the flop with the board texture.
The turn bet may put some consideration into his hand if he were to have like JJ-KK which he may be able to fold on the river if you triple barrelled him
So basically IMO I think after you gave up on the turn the pot is nearly unwinnable for a big percentage of his range
You may be able to get rid of A high cards hands by betting on the river after he checks to you.
I believe he would bet on the turn with any 7 or 77's so it's profitable to raise the turn then try and raise the river on most rivers.
Dec. 14, 2014 | 5:41 a.m.
I don't think it's a easy fold if he donks. I think I'd call his flop bet with overs and backdoor flushdraws, so basically cards with outs. I'd probably raise his donk bet if I had no outs and give up if he calls or raises. After he reraise's you it's a easy fold IMO
Dec. 14, 2014 | 5:32 a.m.
IMO If I were to donk the flop its more like b/f after.
His reraise on the flop contains bluffs and QX, medium - high spade cards, any pair cards etc
basically a lot of his range that is going to continue to call so bluffing at these stakes I find is going to unprofitable when hes going to call nearly all of range.
I use to do this all the time when I would randomly spazz out on a flop pot of $1.50 you end up raising $5 with no outs because you don't believe him.
Dec. 14, 2014 | 5:29 a.m.
I'm confused about your question
Do you mean what do you think of his Cbet or if you were to Cbet?
IMO He's probably Cbetting a high % of his range here flush draws middle pairs over pairs bluffs especially when you check to him and with those stats there's a high chance he's going to fire out on the flop with any two cards he called you with
I think if he were to continue on the turn that's when his range could be sort of narrowed IMO but trying to guess what cards he can have with a flop bet after you check to him is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
With his stats I don't mind trying to get the turn in. I think the flop raise it means he most likely has Qx or maybe even a spade draw.
Against normal opponents who would never bluff its important to keep his bluffs in so check calling the turn is fine.
However I think since he's continuing on the turn means he's almost certain to get the money in now and I would actually be more weighed to putting him in now rather than have another spade comes off and scare all his QX with no flush or rather boat up or make a higher flush than you with QAce of spades.
Jan. 8, 2015 | 8:15 a.m.