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Osterror

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This turn is a good example of the trouble you'd get into when you just call, so I didn't even consider that option here OTF- Not sure what is the etiquette here but maybe some ppl want results and now is an ok time? He had AA22 with nut flush draw and I actually manage to suck out both runs into 2 pair.

May 9, 2013 | 3:24 p.m.

I just wanna say that we don't "know" he "always" has aces. Two very bad words: know and always. 140 hands is not enough at all to conclude that. I see nits every day shipping with something else for various reasons, even though their stats showed otherwise. He might decide you play too laggy now and punish you with broadways. He might be ending his session and is willing to gamble a bit. He maybe angry at himself playing too nitty and now gets brave. His wife may have shouted at him and he gets you guys for revenge. And the most simple reason: in 140 hands he may not have been dealt a single premium hand!!! 

This is not relevant here given the stack sizes are still too big for it to matter. But at some point we get close to the equity where the KKds has close enough odds to get it in when you add in the fact that you cannot see his cards and with varying weight he might have something else.

We have 32.82% vs AA** here now, and would need his stack to be roughly 8.50 dollars to break even here, so if he was all in preflop we could call and break even if we indeed "know" he has aces. Make his starting stack 50bb's and i believe you can get it in getting 38% pot odds but putting some weight to non-aces, though.






May 7, 2013 | 9:14 a.m.

He did assume tight range, that shows in :3%. It means the range is only 3% including those other hands.

May 6, 2013 | 9:33 a.m.

I believe(d) he can also have a broadway hand where he often has a pair+wrap or KQ . Now I think naked AA is unlikely unless he misplays it by betting too much for no real reason I guess. Looking at the strong bet NFD gets more weight?

May 5, 2013 | 2:54 p.m.

BB: $25
BN: $14
SB: $25.93 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.35) (3 Players)
Hero was dealt J Q 9 8
BN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, BB raises to $2.75, BN folds, Hero calls $2.25
I think 3-betting is my more usual default here. However, the open comes from an unknown guy who just sat in and who has a short stack. I'd have no clue if he calls too much or folds too much so I dont know which way he could be exploited. 3-bettor is a TAG with very standard looking stats.
Flop ($6.75) Q 3 K (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero raises to $21.45, BB raises to $17, Hero calls $0.55
Again I have a lot of outs to improve in absolute terms, but hitting most of them will still be very tricky If I just call? However, a strong bet, should this raise alarm bells?
Turn ($50.75) J (2 Players)
River ($50.75) 8 (2 Players)

May 5, 2013 | 1:48 p.m.

BN: $25.12
SB: $25.77
BB: $85.24
HJ: $29.04 (Hero)
CO: $25
Preflop ($0.35) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt 7 A K T
Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, BN folds, SB calls $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.90, SB folds
I reckon a somewhat loose but not horrible open? Reason for not folding is that the blinds are fishes while the 2 other guys are tight. Idk what to think of a small sized 3bet but guess it's a no-brainer non-fold for me, so at least a call.. Or should I 4-bet even to get it heads-up?
Flop ($4.35) T J 8 (2 Players)
BB bets $4.15, Hero raises to $16.60, BB raises to $24.90, Hero calls $10.69
Now this is interesting. I have tons of different sorts of ways to improve the absolute value of my hand, but none of those improvements with the exception of Q are nutty and can make me fold the best hand sometimes. So I see two alternative lines here: i could call, and if Improving, look to take down a medium sized pot where 0-1 more bets go in and my hand simply is good at the showdown. Alternatively I could get it in and avoid the trouble of playing some tough later streets, while also doubling up if I hit my non-nut outs that are still good, Since the 3bettor is a 67/8 guy, I decide to go with the latter option. Too loose even vs a fish? It is not known if he is bad enough to spew with low-quality aces here for example, we can only conclude something from his preflop looseness. However since he close to pots it I question my play now.
Turn ($60.69) 3 (2 Players)
River ($60.69) 5 (2 Players)
BB wins $1.76
Final Pot
BB wins $1.76

May 5, 2013 | 1:36 p.m.

Idk what he had cause I folded. I thought we are getting close to the price of just having to call. But maybe not just yet. Say I potted the turn, he donks the same way, and it's even cheaper. Could become a good reason not to fold since we are starting to get the price even if this was his one-time bluff of the night. Also he might just randomly realize his hand can only win by betting. Seen some poker on TV or something.

May 4, 2013 | 2:46 p.m.

Hand History | Osterror posted in PLO: PLO25 call or fold to river donk?
HJ: $0
CO: $23.80
BN: $40.12 (Hero)
SB: $15.35
BB: $13.75
UTG: $25.25
edit: Not sure why my hand didn't show here, but it's [ Jd 9d Qc Kh ]
Preflop is CO limps, I pot, blinds and CO call. So 4-ways, single raised pot.
Flop ($4.40) 4 7 Q (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2.93, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls $2.93
Turn ($10.26) K (3 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7.20, CO calls $7.20
River ($24.66) 4 (3 Players)
CO bets $12.57
Now, obviously this is a somewhat easy call vs certain opponents? However, can you safely fold here vs some other sort of villain? How would you go ahead and define how you built your reads when deciding to fold here?

May 4, 2013 | 8:50 a.m.

Wrong card pairs? I think this is the second best card, after 9? (Looking at the subject only I thought we flop two pair and the third flop card pairs on the turn and now we are like wtf :P Quite a usual tough spot)

March 28, 2013 | 11:38 a.m.

Anyone else? perhaps a HU specialist ;) I must say that although I do somewhat fine overall in HU, I am really struggling with these guys. It has something to do with the fact that it's not that frequent to flop value hands in HU PLO, and if your villain takes away most of the pots that you both miss, they maybe can afford to make some loose calls in those pots that you are contesting. (Freerolling with their non-legit draws and very marginal made hands when they have took down uncontested pots). I'm still kind of lost on the subject. I am experimenting some stuff but haven't really found a decisive counter.

March 26, 2013 | 11:22 a.m.

Thanks. So to make sure, when I hit nothing on the flop I just check back the flop and let him have it? To sum up, I should play tighter preflop and bet thinly for value post flop, and whatever +$ he makes stealing those pots when I don't have anything, will not compensate for -$ what he loses when making loose calls? Maybe tilt has gotten me here vs. this type. I feel it's frustrating to give up so many pots when you don't hit anything. Then I misadjust and start fighting, when I should just keep on waiting?

March 24, 2013 | 11:51 a.m.

Hello

I seem to run into consistent trouble adjusting to super loose villain who calls and stabs a lot. They* do it rationally, though, thus exploiting some leak in my game. (they* = the ones who are not only loose but also stab immediately when I check somewhere.)

What is this leak and how should I adjust?

The way it goes:
He folds very little oop preflop, maybe only 10-15%.
He also folds to flop cbets little, say 20%.
This is where the problem starts. When I fire turn cbet they can still call, and seems like they have a marginal made hand or they have a non-nut bad draw. The thing is, they mix the river play donk potting or betting smaller for value and check-calling if they end up with a decent bluff catcher. It's not that frequent for a hero to have a value hand that can stand money going in on all 3 streets.

If I don't cbet on the flop they stab every single turn. If I don't cbet the turn they usually but not always stab the river.

So how do I adjust? Especially with my decent hands that are not worth 3 streets. Should I check some flops planning to raise turns? Check turns planning to call rivers? 3-barrel more? How about my air? Check flop or turn and give it to them? Feeling a bit frustrated here since I thought we should own these guys when we have position, but with clever betting they seem to try to steal every possible hand when I miss a bet.

March 24, 2013 | 11:31 a.m.

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