OMGDardania

nh.

so the next step in adjustment is to 4bet for value with de-polarized range?

like a lot what mason barrell says.

no-brainer pre fold (but Im a huge nit). even more so given the specific 2 villains.

would like to add its very well possible being in a downswing. 50k stretch downswings are nothing really. Your C-All In Adj might be a hint.

folding to 3bet not standard? utg-open getting 3-bet (large) out of blinds from unknown only 100bbs deep.
as played nh.

@Saulo Ribeiro:
is this new and common theory? back pre black-friday, there was no calling 4bets oop at all, if i recall correctly. has theory changed since then? if so, for what reasons?
how can you expect to be +EV by calling the hands you listed? if i get you right, you call these hands because they are ahead of villains 4bet range, or?

apologize for not expressing myself sensitively enough. will work at expressing myself more respectful in future.
likewise expect from you to accept that not all opinions have to be mainstream (especially regarding balancing) and equal to yours. rather value them as enrichment to dialogue process. freedom of speech.

totally agree. thx for your input it helped me.
but NOT for BALANCING reasons.at least not in this spot given the factors mentioned in this thread.

one of the reasons why we 4bet and choose the 4bet-siziing is so that - excuse my offensive language - FISH can make the mistake of calling the 4bet oop (and check/fold ze flops because they miss 2 out of 3 times)...

look at it from the other perspective:
if you are the guy 4bettting: do u want villain to call your 4bet oop with 76s (the hand you mentioned as an example)? I do :D

Since Bovada is anonymous,
...balancing

lol? that's logically a contradiction in itself.

Since Bovada is anonymous, we must play a theoretically sound game until we develop reads in game.

there you go:

UTG is a PASSIVE FISH who limps

bomb it pre. like ridiculous. fish never gonna fold!
bomb flop. like ridiculous. fish never gonna fold!
never fold anywhere in this hand against aggro fish.

what GunnJD says.

also, i like the 3bet a lot.

you need to think for yourself instead of copying stuff that nosebleed pros do.

We have to have turn bluffs...

nope, not at all.
this is a common mistake.

agreed, with 2 Phil Galfonds behind me that are capable of folding and are crushing you if you dont balance this spot, you have to have bluff range.

but.... you dont have 2 Phil Galfonds behind you.

You have 1 sticky phish behind you and 1 reg that is not good enough to afford playing reasonable stakes. probably because he cant fold either.

given all the mentioned factors, call seems fine.
keep in mind squeezing to like 90-100 may result in awkward spr-ratio (pot too big).

oh, and:

UTG is definitely opening a decently wide range for UTG-probably all PPs, suited aces, broadways, suited connectors etc...

not a TAG in my book.

fold. and it's not even that close, for all the reasons mentioned by you guys.

btw its not standard for me to stab turn with 2 players behind me, let alone one of them being a sticky stinky fish.

Everything got there...

not really, no.

KT and T8 both dont call mp-raise in co.
so only flushes got there. but cant think of many suited cards calling pre.
and AQ got there (AJ folds pre as well).

what does V value-bet river with? the rare QQ, JJ (55 folds as well pre), and AQ as mentioned.
what does V bluff river with? cant think of any floats/bluffs.

still fold river though.

lol

used to iso here, since it is the standard play.

but nowadays i just limp along. bleeding money to iso-raise.

vs. 1 limper i still iso-raise though, but not vs 2 or more. sick of dealing with a bunch of sticky fishes.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/artysmokes/media/2p2/Handcharts.png.html

balance

lol

you are V are you ck raising the middling ace combos?

no

spot on.
i folded, villain showed a random A8 that he spazzed out with.
argh.

fold. and its not even close.
5-way hands suck, hate it:D
adjust/exploit by iso-raising bigger for value in live games.

definitely cbet flop, and definitely follow up a 2nd barrel on the turn.

this is the very standard line, to my understanding.

you have to call 260 to win 1080.
-> need 19% equity.
don't even have that low equity?
probably not vs river shoving range on that board.

say we bet 40% of pot, 100.
if he shoves we have to call 320 to win 1100, needing what, like 22% equity?
wouldn't we have at least that low amount of equity?

nice hand. all streets quite standard.