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Good video, however I think its lacking in examples. Maybe its an idea to go through your database and select for hands where you coldcall the btn/co/mp

Do you think microstakes PLO zoom is beatable on stars with the rake structure and no rakeback? If not, at what stake does it become more reasonable to play zoom?

Sorry for the bland response Emty lol, just commented while watching. Loved the format! I'd love to see you play more live, especially 50plo or higher!

Groeten uit Amsterdam :)

12:38 you have a straight.

23:30 folding 33 on 992dd vs halfpot std or distracted?

That makes a lot of sense! thank you so much!

Yes not much 3betting from the passive players. Thanks!

Ah great to know, thanks for clearing it up guys.

When you drew a new hand for the river decision, it just showed random hands from your preflop range right? Not actual hands that would take this line. (AT was one of the hands on ATxxx, and i assume this hand never gets checked back on flop).

So its not like you said "other hands we get here with"...Thats unfortunate for that feature.

Please give Andreas more videotime! We have so little essential PLO content these days. I love his live play videos.

Best video ive seen from you! Keep this format please:)

Put in a raising range in Odds Oracle and tell me how much equity you have vs that range.

I dont like the 3bet because we have 4 more people left to act, 2 of which have position, one with who we are 600bb deep. NOT because we cannot call a 4bet and/or we get 4bet alot.

The reason we end up in a situation where we have sort of one of the best flops for our hand and we still only can Bet/Fold, is because we should not be playing this hand OOP. We set ourselfs up for this once we play this hand from MP, even though you're 3betting. I disagree with the 3bet not because he's opening tight or you cannot call a 4bet. I'm against it because you have more players to act behind you.

Very skilled players can pull off wider ranges in these spots, however when you decide you'd like to check/call a hand like this, it goes to show you should not be playing all that wide at all.

I think we're overestimating the Big blinds ability to handselect a very good squeezing range here if we're giving him a 10% 3bet in this spot.

If this % is remotely close to this, he's going to have alot of hands which are actually not in a well balanced 3betting range that 10%pokerjuice range gives us. But its going to include alot of hands that he will have to fold to a 4bet because it does extremely poor vs AA heavy ranges.

Because he is a bad player, we cant assume he will fold these hands so our actual equity when it goes in 3way will at least a bit better than what PJ comes up with.

If he was a more solid player, it becomes a very easy shove in my opinion because he will fold a large part of his 3betting range here.

That said, In this case we only have 3.5bb invested and you're right that we definitely wont make a ton of money here.

How would you qualify someone 3betting an utg shortstack in mp with a very speculative hand?

On the flop I dont think check/calling is going to get you in many good turn spots. We have a marginal hand with a non-nut draw.

When you bet, the button has to play very straight forward with the shorty behind and we block some very good draws that he could be raising or peeling with.

If he raises us we can fold without much regret, if he folds we can play a turn vs the shorty in position or call his shove.

Hey Zach, great video!
One thing for the future though, and it might just be personal preference but I doubt it.. If you're going to make a PLO video, which is assume is what you are shooting for here, its obv alright to just add a NL table to fill up the gap, however I dont see the merit of going into depth into NL hands. No NL player is going to be watching this for the NL content, and no PLO player cares for the NL hands..

At least, thats what I think. I just cant imagine any Elite members looking for both in one video.

Moar!! I def prefer these over your own live action vids.

I agree with kyyberi. I'd say its 50/50 that i'd call if he bet a normal amount, since i feel like weaker players always try to rep a hand that they're sure you dont have. (because you check back the flop you never have a J in their eyes, which is obv false), but I'd still feel its a bad spot.

But in this case specific i think your fold is going to be good more often than not. These players actually never bet a 2p hand OTT simply because it isnt the nuts.

Spass, do you think he's ever donk/folding? Should he be? I didnt think so at first but tat that board he prob should have a donk/folding range aswell.

Since he's putting us in a pretty bad spot sandwiched on a board like that.

But doesnt that also mean that shoving becomes a better option?

I'm a bit confused which scenario leads to x solution here. sorry for that.

I hope someone can do a PJ/PT analysis on this. I think its close but we can shove. I think calling is bad.

I agree that we prob cant fold in theory, however I dont feel our turn situation is going to be that great. On the turn SB will shove 100% of his range and bb will just call again alot because the shove is going to be 4$ into 60$, or he's going to realise we are weak and is going to me shoving over it with a worse hand... Do we shove over his turn call? If we don't we're basically letting BB realise his equity very easy.

I think our hand is too weak to just call and I dont think the bb has alot of made hands at all, if any. I actually think BB is going to be folding enough of his range to make a jam profitable here, but Im not sure.

I PMed you :)

Preflop seems reasonable to me.

Once the flop comes i'm not thinking about ever putting in a penny here 4way in a 3b pot. We basically have a naked K blocker. I dont really see why you'd be any more attached to this hand.

You def need to see his bet as a shove, he's potting it into 4 people.

You did the equity calc correctly except for the part where you need to exclude a 4betting range.

However I think its not going to improve your equity what so ever vs his stacking off range.

I wouldnt bet the flop 3way.
I tend to feel thesame as you OTT vs that sizing i usually cant resist to just raise it up.

I also feel that our hand is too weak to be calling, because we have bad visibility on the river and our range looks very weak.

Do you realise how much equity we need? Did you read any posts in this thread?

I disagree with the people saying you have enough hands in your range here to be bet/calling alot. Really the only hand we can bet/call here is T9 + the occasional set, but that isnt a big part of our 3betting range at all. We're going to have tons of AA combos, Highcards, and all our medium combos are going to have hands we're going to want to x/c instead of bet (ie. 2P, P + strdraw, pair + gutter + bds )

With these hands i wouldnt construct a betting range at all and just check my entire range, and construct a x/r range and a x/c range. We can x/r small here with strong blocker hands and nutty hands, and we can x/c with hands said above + some nutty hands aswell, depending on our villians tendencies.

So I think you're on the right track :)

This seems like a terrible spot for BTN to cbet vs our co range. Correct?
Im guessing he should check back all his medium strength hands and alot of give ups, and then have some strong blockers hands (?) for his bet/folding range and betting very strong made hands / draws?

Does he even need a bet folding range? am I wrong in thinking he could just check back IP all his medium strength hands + air . And pot all the hands he wants to go with?

If thats the case It looks to me that the whole donking plan of spassewr seems most optimal.

Do people really check back a pair + Add here, let alone the bare nutflushdr? I'd never range people on that assumption. Could someone add to this?