Mikwin

Sounds good but postflop solutions would be much better to get people chipping in imo

Im not sure because when im BU i have a lot more Kx that gets to the turn than i do had i been UTG. Like UTG has what KQhx that might bet call the flop and maybe he bets his KTs hands as well but were not worried about KTs no heart seeing a river. Where i dnt even have those hands in my flop betting range UTG, now on the BU vs a BB that is flatting like K7s and maybe wider im gonna be value betting a lot more of my Kx on flop that also has those flush draws to go with it. BB doesn't want me to see a river with for free with these hands. So yeah BU has way more flushes on the turn than UTG but BU turn range is so much wider that flushes are a smaller portion of his range, well at least it is for me.

Seriously though dnt over think this because im not sure myself if checking 22 is good vs either position. Tbh im pretty sure betting and checking isn't gonna make a huge difference anyway.

Not sure. I understand that BU has more flushes than UTG but i think when UTG bet calls flop his range as a whole is way more nutted than BU i would imagine. Like my range as UTG that gets to the turn after calling the flop raise is looking really strong on this turn actually and had i bet like AQ with a heart im not even sure i even wanna float the raise. Where on BU vs BB my value range on flop is wider and i expect villain to find more bluffs so i am gonna be floating IP along with Kx and heart on the flop. So on BU i have a lot more flush draws on turn that may peel or fold the turn barrel.

It just depends on villains cb strat and what he calls vs raise i think, i could be over thinking it and 22 is a barrel regardless but its good to think about until someone that may know better comes along and says so.

Thought i would add im not really one to worry to much about how many bluffs i have to v bets but on this turn i cant see me blasting off a lot as a bluff so if that's true and villains also thinks that's true i would guess that shifts this hand to a check.

Horrible spot. Im torn on the turn on if i wanna bet or check, kinda wanna charge all his draws and stuff like KJ. Kinda looks troublesome for my check range though i would be protected on a lot of rivers still anyway. As played though villain would need to be turning pairs into a bluff for us to call unless he just floated some random Tx.

Not sure on like a 2c either as played, guess i would x decide on his bet sizing, id be a bit worried if villain started vbetting some Qx though seen as i would size down on turn had i bet.

I would just block bet vs an unknown and fold vs a raise. Gets a bit tricky vs a reg you dnt know because i dnt expect them to snap off with 2 pair. You could check as well if you knew villain never calls worse but only bets flushes and dnt bluff enough. I can see some Kx with a heart that might turn itself into a bluff but thats why i just like blocker betting rather than x/c or x/f.

Im more interested in if the turn is a barrel tbh, sure you have more than 50% equity but it sucks to get raised on the turn. I think vs a say UTG i would check turn just because there less off suit combos with a heart but vs BU i wanna bet small maybe. This is one of those spots where i unintentionally mix what i do, i can see me going 2/3 1/3 or check turn.

You would think that that a spot like this would be really standard by now but i cant recount a single vid or book that has given me any idea as to what the correct play is here. I spose its yet another spot of it depends.......

If you think he flats 9x pre and then continues to call down to the river what is he even folding. So if i were to barrel turn it would be because i expect villain to fold some over pairs to the triple barrel because your fold equity looks really low on that turn card unless he was flatting a very wide range pre that just floats the flop one time but even then you could play x/c with AK vs that player type and let him hang himself.

Im only doing 12 in EP but 27 in CO, probably just variance but i dnt get why im getting 80bb/100 back in BB yet im only winning 30 on BU. That makes no sense, especially when im OOP with some wide weak range. If 30bb on BU isn't standard i can only imagine im doing something wrong post.

Actually come to think of it when im in BB im playing vs 3x raises a lot but when i open BU im opening 2.5x so maybe that plays into it a bit but as far as calling on BU and 3b im a bit better than B/E excluding my value 3b range.

Thanks for getting back to me. I thought that was a bit of a standard question, sometimes i just need a bit of confidence from someone that knows what there doing xD. I find the more i learn the more i end up questioning myself and making stuff harder than it is.

Damn good vid. It would be really interesting to see how you play these spots as the pfr on the turn and river when your OOP. I find myself in tricky spots more so with thin value than finding good bluff candidates. Especially on those low boards with over pairs say UTG vs CO or BU. Kinda feels like betting over pairs on these boards on the river is going for value and a bluff at the same time. Boards like this one 5 5 7 3 4 where theres a flush draw on flop. Would you triple QQ there vs 88-JJ. Kind of in the same spot on the turn when i have 88 myself. Yep i really do hate these board textures.

In the QJs hand where you get max value with 2nd pair, what would you 3b bluff in villains shoes? I was think of some Axhh but i dnt see him having any unless he flats an AJo which seem bad to me.

I would rip for compensation vs his nutted hands for if he does call with 88-JJ, if he folds 88,99 and some air were good to go either way. If you check your just playing a guessing game and maybe lose value against the players that will snap 88-JJ but x/b when you check. So if i did check i would probably x/f but i think its pretty close, depends how many draws call turn and bluff river.

Even half pot is fine with your OP to encourage 88-JJ to call and jam everything else.

Its frequency that counts for folds, so that will probs be lower vs passive players, so i would imagine AGG% could get lower if you check a lot to induce.

Pretty sure AG% counts for calls as well, so if your folding to aggression alot you will have a lower AG frequency. Which might be good vs passive players.

You said you need a fold 1/3rd of the time to bet half pot in the replayer example. That doesn't include your 2bb investment pre, so shouldn't we need a fold 55% of the time when he checks to auto profit on atc as were risking 5 to win a pot of 9?

This vid is a bit to advanced for me but this vid is showing how a optimal player would cbet this board or continue vs a bet vs the other 3 player types. The problem for me is the players i play against aren't optimal and even if i was good enough to play optimal i doubt its better to play an optimal cb strat vs the polarized player you was talking about.

Overall i think its good to see how you should adjust vs these different player types, but i think it would be a lot more interesting to see how you would adjust your own cbet strategy vs those different player types.

I meant with me needing 48% fold equity vs co folding 80% and BU folding 60% how would i work out for BB if he was continuing 3% of the time ( so BB was 5b shipping all in with the top 3% of hands).

Ok bud thanks for the help, its appreciated. Just out of curiosity how would i work out for BB as well if he jammed say top 3% of hands.

I was just giving an example of how i would work out the combined fold equity if say i opened on BU. But i was not sure if that is accurate for the spot i was in where i had 3b from SB. Im sure BB wont cold call often if at but theres the % chance of him going all in along with CO and BU. Co is probably gonna fold 80% or more and BU more like 60 in this spot. So i was thinking they would fold around 48% of the time not including BB which i worked that out by getting .8 x .6 Do you know if thats accurate or way off?

^ This.

At 18:18 we open Q9s from MP and bet A86r with backdoor draws vs BB and get called, why are you tagging this guy as a fish?

Disharmonist i didn't write that, the guy who posted this hand on deuces cracked wrote it, you can read his thread if you like http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/500z-beyond-lol-math-lol-balance-pt2-1509400/

Im only playing the micros and thought this guys play looked spewy so i thought id check out what you guys over here thought.

In your first hands you open K6hh in SB and BB calls and you talk about how you would x/c some nut flushes bet the rest of your flushes and xr your combo flushes and some sets i would assume. Which is what i was doing and came to notice on a heart turn i have no bluffs because i now have sets and a turned flush.

So i was wondering what other hands you would xr as a bluff to make sure you still have some bluffs when you barrel the heart turn?

Great vid, in the AJ hand you said your value combos on the river are flushes but what happened to all your sets?