MikeySars1984
4 points
Fold or shove. You have a button raise and a guy 3 betting a quarter of his stack from the absolute worst position at the table, and he is doing it knowing full well there are three other players to act behind him. On top of that, effective stacks aren't large enough to justify implied odds, and you will be playing out of position against the button should he call.
The main reason I'm saying fold is that we have no info on anything to do with this game. The button should be raising fairly wide, so there's a good chance hes folding to a cold 4 bet shove, as would the limper. If he doesnt though, youre not going to be in great shape most of the time. Had SB 3 bet been more like $950 then we could look at going about it differently.
You're like 85bb deep. If youre really unsure, out of position, facing a large 3 bet, and don't really want to risk half or all of your stack with tens, just fold
Dec. 24, 2018 | 8:03 p.m.
It's obviously hard to say without any info regarding to player tendencies, table dynamics, and game flow. That being said, I think your sizing on the turn is probably fine. It could be bigger for sure, but if you're worried that it was so small that it possibly looked weak and played a role in him raising you, I don't think that's an issue.
I think we are definitely too strong to be folding the turn, although if you were fairly confident he would be shoving the river a good percentage of the time and don't want to find yourself in an even tougher spot, then I suppose you could fold.
On the river is tough for sure. But realistically hes should be defending his BB really wide, and there are lots of different 2 pair combos and sets that absolutely make sense there, as well as some straights. I think if the river paired the board I would feel a bit better about calling. If he had a set or two pair, you were beat anyways so a boat doesn't matter, so at least it counterfeits a bunch of the two pair combos looking to stack a strong overpair.
He could definitely have some of those bluff hands you mentioned. So you need to decide if you think your villain has it in him to turn a pair and a draw into a bluff in that spot, or is he more likely to check and rely on showdown value.
Its a great spot for him to bluff for sure, but all in all I think you're beat here enough of the time that folding is the right move
Dec. 24, 2018 | 7:40 p.m.
If he is playing 40/15, in my opinion it only adds more reason to fold. 3-4% 3 bet isn't that high. It's on the middle low end of average. So if on top of that he is only opening a narrow range (40/15) in relation to how many hands he is playing, it really makes this seem like a fold for sure.
And you have to remember he 3 bet a third of his stack into an UTG raise, who should have a fairly solid opening range, and one caller. That seems to me like someone who is desperate to get as much of their stack in the middle as possible without any concern for being behind.
I know it sucks in those spots to finally get a hand you can play and then be put in that spot, but this seems like a fold pre flop to me. If you were way deeper so the implied odds to hit a set were better, or his raise was smaller so you could be more ok with check folding the flop if you don't hit, then sure. But in this spot I don't see calling being the right play.
Dec. 24, 2018 | 7:13 p.m.
Is the blocker bet on the last hand sufficient enough? Obviously we dont want to go too big, but with a bet that small are we ever potentially making it look weak enough that we risk villain turning some kind of hand into a bluff and coming over the top? It's not uncommon for me to see guys bet tiny on a river and then turn over something ridiculous when I call. As though they are just betting because they think for some reason they are supposed to bet, but don't actually know why or what they are trying to accomplish. I also feel at these stakes most of the time , if villain has a marginal hand they are just going to check back, and if they fire its only going to be with the flush and we can fold. Saving ourselves the cost of the blocker bet.
Dec. 5, 2018 | 8:20 p.m.
I really want to see a series of videos like this where 2 or 3 different pros from a few different stakes (not more than a couple levels higher) review the same set of hands so we can get a few points of view and see if and how their opinions vary
Dec. 2, 2018 | 11:40 p.m.
I would like to see a similar series based around mid pocket pairs. When to stick with them and when to get away from them post flop when we don't flop our set primarily. And how much we should be willing to pay to flop sets pre flop in a variety of situations. I feel like thats an area that is probably a leak for me, which ties somewhat into the theme of this series, and this video in particular. I feel like those are some post flop spots where my brain ends up being more concerned with "do I come off too fishy/stationish or too nitty by calling or folding a mid PP on a board like this" rather than, "what is the +EV play here based on what I know about my villain thus far, and the population in general"
Dec. 2, 2018 | 11:01 p.m.
I know it doesn't matter, as we shouldnt be results oriented, but what did villain have on the first hand?
Dec. 2, 2018 | 9:41 p.m.
Is 33/29 an acceptable VPIP/PFR ratio at these levels? These are the levels I play at right now and I always wonder if I'm being a little too loosey goosey with my stats around 27/22 type thing. I know it obviously depends greatly on your post flop abilities, and whether or not youre playing 6-max (which I do), and maybe I'm thinking too much old school TAG mentality. I just always wondered if I should be tightening up at these stakes. Too TAG just isn't my style and feels too uncomfortable and unnatural for me, plus i see a lot of lost value taking TAG too far. Just want to know if I'm over thinking
Dec. 1, 2018 | 8:30 p.m.
As far as the AsKd hand at about 7 minutes.I feel like if I'm not going to bet that flop, we should at least be betting the turn no? We have a lot of equity, and although we have show down value with AK high, I feel like just letting him get there with a random hand just because we are worried about getting check raised is super weak. If he comes in with a reasonable raise, we can call and try to improve. If he gives us way too much pressure then we can look at folding. I just feel like he could have some weaker broadway combos with a single diamond, or a pair and a draw we can get him off of if he doesn't improve.
Nov. 14, 2018 | 8:06 p.m.
ok no worries. I'm just one of those people who doesn't always learn in the most conventional ways, so it's hard sometimes to find people who deliver the material in a way that gives my brain that "click" moment, where it all makes sense. I'll figure it out though
Nov. 14, 2018 | 7:29 p.m.
At 28:15, is that shove with A5o player dependent? Are you shoving some of the time and 3 betting some of the time, or are you always jamming there against a raise from that stack on the button. Depending on what I know about my villain, this isn't usually a spot where I jam for half my stack with A5o. Curious to know if I should start being way more aggressive on the bb in spots like that.
Nov. 4, 2018 | 10:50 p.m.
Do you have any recommendations for external sites I could use to brush up and fine tune on some of the most relevant maths to poker? I'm just getting back into the game and it's been a long time since math has had to be quick and intuitive for me. I know there is a lot of good MOOC's out there, but if there is any site in particular that you think would be best, as well as any advice you have on brushing up on related maths, would be greatly appreciated.
Nov. 3, 2018 | 7:56 p.m.
Uhg I'm such a fish
Oct. 26, 2018 | 3:13 a.m.
Thank you so f’ing much for making this. I really hope that you and other people make as many more of this format as possible. This is exactly how I understand and retain info the most efficiently. I was like that in school too. I’m a very intelligent person and grasp many aspects of the game well, but my learning methods can sometimes be quite one demensional which will put me in a position where I would be able to learn so much more and apply it, if it were only presented to me in a specific way.
Hand history videos are awesome, but I wish they would incorporate some of this style into it, where they show the hand as played and walk through their thought process. But then give a few hypotheticals regarding how they would have potentially played the hand had the action been different. A big thing for me is having the “why” of the process broken down in a concise way. It’s great for people to explain theory and hand history, but to explain in easily understandable detail, why those theories “work” or why/why not hero/villain should or shouldn’t be showing up with a certain range in a given situation is invaluable. I just got back into the game after a long time off, and I have a ton of aspects I need to relearn as well as new info to take in, but the more of this style of video, the faster it will happen for me. Sorry for the long winded comment, and thank again for the vid
I agree that we should barrel turn as well. There's lots of combos hes going to float there with as well as Q10, J10, A10 type hands that will call a flop/turn bet but may not want to continue against a lot of pressure if they don't improve on the river. I think one of the big things to think about when debating a turn bet, is what river cards are going to be good for you to barrel as well, because that greatly effects our decision. As well as what showdown value hands we think we can get villain to fold. If hes got a hand like Q10, where there is only one over card, you're probably not going to get him to fold to a flop bet unless it was huge.
Dec. 24, 2018 | 8:30 p.m.