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How do you approach an unknown fish player? I know it depends largely on the player pool/ stake, but from experience an unknown fish in my 50-100nl hudless site player pool is on the passive and nitty side. About 10% of them being spewy/bluffy, 10% being whales and the rest of the 80% is on the passive side, with about 60-80% of those players within that 80% pool is capable of occasional bluffs and spews.
I could be wrong due to bias and no database , but that's my estimate.

Also do you player pools of fish drastically change in different stakes?

I saw in 200nl video that the coach bluffed catch rivered 2nd pair ,bb iso (coach) vs sb limp second pair on Q 10 4 2 J, vs a fish 2/3rd lead , after the the coach cbet flop, and checked turn. And the fish was bluffing with 86s (a wide call vs cbet). In my stakes , I would see this being pretty underbluffed, as everything gets there.

From this video and watching other higher stakes player, I think that as the stakes get higher 200 and up the average unknown fish is largely a spewy and bluffy player (about 75%). Which makes following a coach's reads on an unknown fish an error , if you player pool plays different.

So how should a player on a different site approach profiling an unknown fish? In some spots it's hard to estimate the average range based on the percentage of each fish player type in the pool vs an unknown fish, for example on a river bluff catch where you know about 30% of the pool is never bluffing , 10% of the pool overbluffs by alot , and 40% is maybe capable of bluffing .

How should one approach unknown fish short stackers 70bb or less eff stack?

I don't have any database to review , but I usually give them a high chance of being a passive nitty player 80% , and maybe a whale 10% , and player capable of spewing/bluffing 10%. I think most aggro/spewy players tend to want to play with a bigger stack. So I tend to overfold a lot vs them . Is this logic correct?

Where is the best content for exploiting fish, such as types of fish player types, common strategies,sizing tells, timing tells, overbluffing/underbluffing/spew spots? Hard to find anything in the video library , as most players are playing 100nl on stars and up which is mostly gto play and exploits on regs, with the occasional spot vs a fish.

Overall looking to work on my exploitative game. Would Red chip poker or other site be better since live games have a lot more fish and the players might have a more indepth analysis on a lot of fish spots?

50nl
UTG folds
MP folds
CO (95% fish) opens $1.5
BU ( hero) 3bets to $5.25 100bb eff w/ AdAh
SB folds
BB folds

flop pot $11.25 9d 6h 5c
Co checks
Bu hero checks

turn pot $11.25 8s
co checks
bu hero checks

river pot $11.25 6c
Co checks
Hero bets $8.5
Co check raise to $39 leaving behind 3.75
Hero needs about 33% to call

Flop I decided to check , thinking it could be higher ev at mixed frequency. Fish is unknown , but I believe a lot of fish would make a lot more mistakes vs check by overstabbing turn vs a capped range, due to his range having a lot of air/bad hands . By betting 2/3rd pot on flop , a fish will fold a lot of hands that he might make mistakes with and I don't see a lot of worse hands calling for 3 streets , only maybe some 9s on certain run outs, 10-QQ, which are probably not a large portion of his range . By checking , it allows him to hit a pair / over bluff .

On turn , I think standard check.

On river , I'm lost on what each kind of fish does, mainly the passive fish.

Do passive fish , look to check raise or do they immediately seek to get value from A high hands / pairs? I could see that fish don't see me calling A high often, which is a large portion of my perceived range and could check raise with his sets ( don't think passive fish would check a lot of 7's on turn,if any) when I have a 6 or checked back overpairs. Passive fish tend to slow play alot at a high frequency right? Or their frequency is mixed , but leaning towards trying to get value from sets on the river ? Leaving their value check raise region being close to 3-4 combos of sets/quads

Vs Spewy/aggro fish , i could see this as being overbluffed by alot . The spewy fish i think would prefer to bet river ,even turn, more frequently w/ his sets , two pairs, 7s to get value(7's probably bet all the time during turn). Which leaves his value check raise range very very narrow and, with his spewy nature, could easily overbluff.

Vs whale (this player unlikely a whale) , slightly unsure , aggro whales similiar to spewy/aggro fish, but would do it more at an extreme. Vs big station whale I think a lot of them don't bluff their stack at all in this line and might even slow play more.

Is this a close decision? or is this likely a call , since all kinds of fish , bet everything for value on the river.

50nl
UTG (fish) limps .5
MP (fish) limps .5
Co folds
bu folds
sb folds
bb (hero) raise to $3.2 10h10s 100bb eff
utg (fish) calls
mp (fish) calls

Flop 8 8h 2h pot $9.85
Hero bets $3.3
utg (fish) calls
Mp (fish) folds

Turn 6d pot $16.45
Hero bets $12.5
Utg (fish) raise to $25
Hero ??? needs 18% equity to call and only 1/3rd bet left if calls

No specific reads on fish. My guess of unknown fish population is roughly 66% passive-fish 40-50 vpip, 15-25% spewy fish , and rest whales 50 vpip and above.

My belief is passive fish 99% never take this line as bluff. And spewy fish are capable of taking this line , but experience/intuition tells me this board texture/line plus my strong repping iso and line wouldn't make a spewy fish bluff a large part of his stack . Spewy fish in my opinion are smarter than the passive-fish in terms of textures/bluffing so wouldn't see this as very good bluff. And whales are also capable of taking this line, but also I similiarly don't think they would if at all do it .

In terms of ranges, value would be a bunch of A8-86s, 66, 22, possibly some AA-99. Semi-bluffs/bluffs would be 75s,97s,54s , a bunch of other flush draws, and the occasional random pair of cards.

And following that assessment , it's likely I'm just against a passive fish who's range contains some value that I beat , but mostly crushing mine , making the call -ev.

Are my thoughts/assessments of each type of fish accurate? or is this just a sigh call,expecting to lose a lot but plus ev?

50nl
UTG opens $1.5
MP folds
CO 3bets $5.25
BU folds
SB folds
BB (hero) 4bets to $16.75 (KK) (100bb)
UTG folds
CO calls

pot $33.5 flop As 6d 4h
hero bets $8.5
Villian shoves all in
Hero $25 to call

Is this an easy fold ? Fish is unknown preflop but believed to be highly likely to be fish due to unknown screenname and not seen on other tables. On flop , I believe villian could be 95% fish due to flop jam (dont see regs raising allin ). And identifiying what kind of fish it was likely to be, i found a bit hard, because its hard to quantify exactly what type of fish there are due to no HUD. But something like 50% loose passive fish, 33% sometimes spewy fish, and 17% whale.

I called thinking i had 25% , but now wondering if my decision had a bias. I've seen fish turn hands like 99-QQ into a bluff in these types of cold 4 bets pots . Maybe with the rational that most people don't 4bet AK and only have a lot of AA KK QQ in their range.

I figured the fishes pre flop calling range looks like JJ-99 (maybe not too many 99), a good amount of AQ and AK (a few less combos due to some 5 bet jams ), and some randomness.

So with AK and AQ being main value hands (about 18 combos) and maybe some random AX , Villian just needs to do this with 5-6 combos of worse dominated hands to have 25% equity.

Is this type of play rare? I feel like i've seen this spot somewhat frequently, considering that cold 4 bet pots are rare.

Preflop
Hero UTG opens to $1.50 125bb w/ KK
MP folds
Co folds
Bu (fish) calls
sb folds
BB (reg) squeezes to $7 125bb

Hero 4bets to $16.5
BB (reg) calls

Flop

As Ac 5d pot $33.5

Hero bets $8.5
BB (reg) calls

Turn 6h pot $50.5
Hero bets $17.5
Villain calls

pot $84
Villian donks $25 all in
Hero ???

I know river's never a call vs a reg. Pretty much 99.99% percent of regs will never donk jam weaker right, even KK? Regs likely a weaker reg due to donk jam. Believe there is some history and with reads that he is an overly aggro reg but only about 80% sure those reads match the SN.
And how bad is the turn 1/3rd? I mistakenly thought for some reason the pot would be left with about half pot size bet.

Also would 1/3rd size be a size that regs overfolds too such as a lot of pocket pairs KK-99 in a pot that leaves a half-pot size bet-2/3rd on river ? Making river bluffs likely to get called ? or the opposite?

What would be the changes in 3bet range construction in the blinds when 100bb deep vs 150 to 200bb and up deep? Do you lower frequencies of some hands and increase others that play well?
Do ranges tighten up in general (10% 3bet lowers to 8% when deep)?

Looking to discuss general exploits vs unknown fish population in 3 bet pots . Mainly when Hero is calling a 3bet IP vs blinds. Find myself getting barrelled off a ton and finding the right bluffs when checked too. Overall not winning the pot alot/capturing my share of ev. And I don't see big mistakes being made to exploit.

vs Checking range on flop seem to be balanced / leaning towards overly strong mostly.

on turn after Villian c bets flop and checks turn I don't find a bunch of folds with my lighter floats probe bets . And river , not too much experience with , but assuming if they call flop/turns they're going to a call a lot of rivers w/ a range meeting under MDF but not by a lot.

Vs cbets on turn not exactly sure , but seems to be leaning towards value due to overly strong range.

vs Cbets on river are likely highly imbalanced towards value.