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Yep, obviously it was assumptions in a VERY simplified model ≠ to real situations . Just wanted to check some concepts.
Im thinking again about case 2) Turn EQ : 35% . Turn pot odds : 30% .
We said, if we win by him checking 35 % of the time , lose when he bets. Then a Turn hand with 35% EQ is breakeven . But thats wrong no ?
If Turn pot odds are 30% , it means if we win 35 % of the time by him checking OTR , Turn call is not break even , but +EV ? right ? as Turn pot odds was 30% , and we win 35% of the time OTR.
And the breakeven point ( by him checking OTR ( we win 100% of the time when he checks )) = our turn pot odds => 30 % ? right ?
June 9, 2015 | 8:15 p.m.
Ok I see, thanks !
Iam thinking about 2 new cases.
Case 1)
If we say turn pot odds are 30% , we should call any hand with EQ > 30% , ok. But ! As R comes into play, if we say we realize 65 % of your equity OTR , we should call OTT against his betting range only hands with minimum 46 % EQ ? ( 30/0.65 = 46 )
Am I right ?
Case 2)
If we say our Turn EQ is 35 % vs his turn betting range, Turn pot odds are 30%.
- If we win the pot 35 % of the time OTR , it means Turn call is breakeven ? Right ?
- If we win 40 % of the time OTR , Turn call is +EV . Right ?
June 9, 2015 | 6:06 a.m.
Thanks Steve.
Exact, Leford defines R : the % of your equity that you realize.
I understand R like this, why are you thinking its a bit clunkier/ambiguous ? Im interested to know. This definition is the simpliest for me. Clear.
Yep, I dont forget our 5outs, just wanted to check this assumption on a "deuce/blank" river. Apparently the reasoning makes sense, glad to hear! :)
Next step,
If we assume ( in a veryyy simplified model obv )
- Vilain bets 60% / Check 40% on all possible river.
- Obv vilain bluffs ratio 1/2 on the river, we cant bluffcatch profitably ( except A or 8 ).
- When he checks we win 100% of the time.
- On our outs ( A or 8 ), our river equity is 100%.
That mean our R on : 2,3,4,5,6,7,9,T,J,Q,K is 40%. Ok.
On an Ace or 8 ( our outs ) R should be superior to 100% ? right ?
Because, vilain still bets 60% / check 40 % on Ace and deuce, so we pick up a big bet.
Something like 200% , maybe 250%+ ? ... I really dont know how R can looks like, and how can we estimate R on these rivers.
May 31, 2015 | 12:54 a.m.
Hi guys,
I'm wondering , can we estimate our TURN "R" with CREV in a specific example.
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Exemple:
Lets say BTN min-raise, we hold A8o in Big Blind, we call.
Flop J86 : hero check, vilain bets, hero call
Turn J86 K : hero check, vilain bets, hero call
So as on the TURN, we have ~ 35/40% equity we should call depending on our "R" .
lets say we call.
River J86 K 2, we check, vilain can bet or check.
We assume:
- if vilain bets river we fold.
- If he checks we win.
So that mean in this case, our "R" is the pourcentage of time when vilain checks ?
If he bets 60 %, check back 40% . "R" is 40 % ? right ?
Ps: Obviously, if this 40% is right on this river, it's not the "true R" , as we need to know "R" on all possible rivers.
May 30, 2015 | 1:27 p.m.
Exemple : we are on btn with 86 we open , big blind call.
Flop KT6
Is it better to Cbet ? or check back ?
Against a standart reg lets say he is 24/20 , average fold to cbet 50% , defend by calling in bb 50 %.
What are the most important factors to prefer a cbet rather than a check back ? or a checkback rather than a cbet ?
April 24, 2015 | 6:23 p.m.
Sure my winrate is about several small leaks, as most of us.
But I still think winrate per position is a good way to think about our game in a different perspective.
SB and BB lossrate : this is a more a defense game.
UTG to BTN winrate : is more an attack game.
So I'm just wondering if the problem is more about "UTG to BTN " or "defense in the blinds" , I mean I've seen somewhere that people say " a normal good reg lossrate in SB is : -20bb/100 and BB: -40bb/100 " If this is true it means that my defense is ok and the problem is more about my "UTG to BTN game" , but Im not even sure about that! about this " normal good reg BIG Bling lossrate is -40bb/100" . I need confirmation from a very good reg winner on 1million+ hands at Mid Stakes , thats why I posted.
Also maybe winrate in postions: UTG, MP, CO, BTN can tell lots of things about "if people play well in a particular position" .
Like for exemple : If a "very good reg 5 or 6bb/100" compare mines winrates and them, he could say yours winrates in SB to MP are ok but CO and BTN are too low ... then problem is mostly about my CO and BTN games, then I could think deeper about those positions, and then questionning about my openning range and flatting range in CO and BTN.
Maybe problem is just a little in UTG and MP, and more in CO and BTN.
Or maybe the contrary, problem is more in UTG and MP , and a little in CO and BTN.
April 23, 2015 | 1:12 a.m.
Hey guys,
I wonder if I play badly some positions ?
SB : - 20 bb/100
BB : - 35 bb/100
UTG : 11 bb/100
MP : 13 bb/100
CO : 19 bb/100
BTN : 30 bb/100
April 22, 2015 | 4:42 p.m.
Hey nice video, what do you think is a good lossrate in Big Blind ? -20bb/100 ? -30bb/100 ? -40bb/100 ?
thanks
April 21, 2015 | 10:18 p.m.
Thanks Blackhawk,
Am I right ?
Bet 3/4 POT :
With " 0% equity " ==> 1-alpha ==> we need 42.8 % FE ( or more ) to bet profitably any two.
With 10% equity , we need 25.4% FE ( or more ) to bet profitably
With 20% equity , we need 6.25% FE ( or more ) to bet profitably.
- I checked 2times for the 20% ... it seems so low !! cant believe we just need 6% FE with 20% equity to bet profitably , something is wrong ?
April 20, 2015 | 1:45 a.m.
Hey guys, I wonder how to find this math formula.
What is the FE required to be a profitable bet if :
- we bet 3/4 pot , with 10 % equity ?
and
- we bet 3/4 pot with 20 % equity ?
I know a 3/4 bet without equity is 0.75/1.75 = 0.428 => mini 42.8 % FE to be a profitable bet. But what if we add 10 % or 20% equity ?
Thanks very much
April 19, 2015 | 10:17 p.m.
We need his " raise flop " and " raise flop cb " stats.
Oct. 7, 2014 | 10:16 p.m.
Hi,
I'm thinking about a situation, we open 77 on the bouton, vilain calls in BB.
Flop K86r : bet or check back ?
Knowing that we have no more that just 1 street of value and no more on this spot, we can either :
1 ) Bet flop , then check back turn
or
2) Check back flop and :
- If vilain bets we call, then remeasuring
( we call his turn bet and since he won't bets often the river as spazz/bluff we'll often see a showdown ( not sure ? ... ) and we induce 1street bet => we had our 1street value => can't take more than 1street value if we cbet
- If vilain check turn , we can bet on the most turns, take our 1street value and then see a showdown.
I know it depends of the opponent, so :
Against which type of players you prefer cbet flop ?
Against which type of player your prefer check/back / make a delayed cbet ?
What are the arguments for or against ?
I know the standart is to cbet this flop with 77, fast play, maybe more easier to play, even not sure BECAUSE if we cbet, then check/back turn, we are in a tough spot if vilain bets the river !! (like he can bluff us with 910, 79 , 57, 7T, some AS high which wants to turn into a bluff to fold some small pairs, he can also turn into a bluff some 6x ... And if we cbet , check/back turn , we can't call on the river cuz he can rep a lot of Kx
Flop: I like raise , mainly vs a fish ! coz lot of value vs any 7x, 8x, SD, FD . But call is ok too, keep his bluffing range.
Mixed strategie on the flop is good.
Turn : As played , Call.
River : He doesnt value any 1pair hand, he can bet any 2pair + ==> we beat almost 0 hand of his value range.
That bring us to only 1 question in that spot : Is he bluffing more than 27 % ?
Would be surprise to see him bluffing more than 5 % here.
Answer is no. Decision is not close.
Fold.
Easy game.
June 13, 2015 | 4:24 a.m.