Kempe4ever
14 points
also naked overpairs, how to we approche them on this board on the turn with 1 and 2 flushdraws present
Sept. 23, 2022 | 4:38 p.m.
min 42:00:
How would you play the turn on jjt4 with the other parts of your stronger range like aaxx,kkax with 1 nut flushdraw? Cr those hands seems like decent option?
Sept. 23, 2022 | 4:35 p.m.
@ 14.15 : OK, so we know an aggresive player opens top50% of hands and he's also
4betting a high % of the time, and we are not happy 2 5bet shipp, then why are we
3betting in the first place?
If he opens 50% (672 hands) and 4bets 30% of his hands we are folding out 272 hands!
We are not folding out 30% (403 hands) of all starting hands which is the thing you seem to think?
Your range are off with 131 hands.
Why are we assuming he doesn't 4b the small pairs and AT-A8s, he probably doesn't flat those OOP.
On flop you say that the only option here is to jam over his 26k bet and I agree that it is way better the
making a small raise and calling off. BUT how about calling flop and calling shoves on any turn but an
Ace? You keep his bluffs in and you still, if you shove flop risking the same amount of chips vs the top
of his range. Did some ICM-math and it's a call on 4 example the 10d/K/Q and obv all lower cards.
The only card we can't call it off on is an Ace, and that is minusEV with 60 dollars.
4betting a high % of the time, and we are not happy 2 5bet shipp, then why are we
3betting in the first place?
If he opens 50% (672 hands) and 4bets 30% of his hands we are folding out 272 hands!
We are not folding out 30% (403 hands) of all starting hands which is the thing you seem to think?
Your range are off with 131 hands.
Why are we assuming he doesn't 4b the small pairs and AT-A8s, he probably doesn't flat those OOP.
On flop you say that the only option here is to jam over his 26k bet and I agree that it is way better the
making a small raise and calling off. BUT how about calling flop and calling shoves on any turn but an
Ace? You keep his bluffs in and you still, if you shove flop risking the same amount of chips vs the top
of his range. Did some ICM-math and it's a call on 4 example the 10d/K/Q and obv all lower cards.
The only card we can't call it off on is an Ace, and that is minusEV with 60 dollars.
Feb. 6, 2013 | 4:27 a.m.
32:30 shoving is only option w KQ here. He's call is horrific, losing about €330 on it, dependin on your range.
Feb. 2, 2013 | 11:06 p.m.
Feeling like this is gonna be the best mtt vid-series yet at RIO!
Jan. 27, 2013 | 2:17 p.m.
Benjamin Wilinofsky: "If you make it closer to 46.5K you look like you're thin value-ing 88-TT and he's going to be less inclined to call with A-high and more inclined to bluff with it."
Y + he could assume we are blockbeting w/ A-high, if we go even a little smaller
Y + he could assume we are blockbeting w/ A-high, if we go even a little smaller
Jan. 23, 2013 | 3:26 a.m.
With the size your taking you polarize he's range in a weird way. He's gonna be flating he's playble hands and not turning them into bluffs. So there for he has 2 be opening very wide utg and have a v-high 4b range from EP 2 make this a good spot 4 stacks. Conclusion imo: Flat it pre.
Jan. 23, 2013 | 3:12 a.m.
haha contributed a lot there bro ;)
Jan. 23, 2013 | 3 a.m.
Can we please get at least one MTT instructor that uses a HUD and have at least some knowledge about ICM? The variance is so tremendous that you can't base your coaches after results only. Maybe run it once could start recruiting players that are good theory wise and not just explo run good players that constantly makes minus ev plays.
No offense 2 the current ones, your vids are surely very educational for a lot of the players signing up here, but just feel that the site needs different style-type of players 2 make it appealing for a wider audience.
Best regards
No offense 2 the current ones, your vids are surely very educational for a lot of the players signing up here, but just feel that the site needs different style-type of players 2 make it appealing for a wider audience.
Best regards
Jan. 22, 2013 | 7:55 p.m.
Hey James! =) Would love if you could include samplesize in your hud until next vid. Makes it a lot easier to create an image of FI which I think is pretty important when watching a NL 6-9max vid.
31:50 How can fe fold here to bananzo? What 4s are in his range? We're only beat by 8's? Which obv has us crushed but still thats so narrow. Can we really exclude him 100% from putting it in with overpair? Or AK-AQc?
Imo this is almost like a heads up pot, since the fish is putting in a nice solid dead €44 w/8/FDs and air and he is gonna know this if he pays attention. So with that money basically dead isn't it possible that he puts it in lighter than you think he does? Would we just fold a decent fd here? If not than he can't really be folding everything but the nuts.
Ty for the vid. Keep them coming sir!
31:50 How can fe fold here to bananzo? What 4s are in his range? We're only beat by 8's? Which obv has us crushed but still thats so narrow. Can we really exclude him 100% from putting it in with overpair? Or AK-AQc?
Imo this is almost like a heads up pot, since the fish is putting in a nice solid dead €44 w/8/FDs and air and he is gonna know this if he pays attention. So with that money basically dead isn't it possible that he puts it in lighter than you think he does? Would we just fold a decent fd here? If not than he can't really be folding everything but the nuts.
Ty for the vid. Keep them coming sir!
Jan. 18, 2013 | 4:01 p.m.
Np ty for the reply! :) GL
Jan. 18, 2013 | 3:02 p.m.
02:00 Would definitely barrel here a lot lot lol when the second FD comes out + a over card in case he has 3/7/small PP. Could potentially get him of weak king on some nice rivers as well.
11:46 The reason he goes bigger here than before is because of position I'm assuming.
16:22 What do you mean with get it in? Guessing we are 3betting 2 5b shove? If thats the case(which should be the only one since we can't call of a shove here profitably) I would like going somewhat smaller just 2 give it some wiggleroom. Don't mind a flat from him oop =)
21:00 Why are we flatting here if we're not gonna be a pain in the ass post? We have bdfd-bdsd and a over. On this dry board he is gonna c-bet close 2 100%? I mean, if we are gonna play fit or fold we can just 3b take it home pre instead.
27:30 Did some quick math and it is a breakeven call so probably should avoid this. Wich we can do with an openshove heey!
Sexy voice!!
11:46 The reason he goes bigger here than before is because of position I'm assuming.
16:22 What do you mean with get it in? Guessing we are 3betting 2 5b shove? If thats the case(which should be the only one since we can't call of a shove here profitably) I would like going somewhat smaller just 2 give it some wiggleroom. Don't mind a flat from him oop =)
21:00 Why are we flatting here if we're not gonna be a pain in the ass post? We have bdfd-bdsd and a over. On this dry board he is gonna c-bet close 2 100%? I mean, if we are gonna play fit or fold we can just 3b take it home pre instead.
27:30 Did some quick math and it is a breakeven call so probably should avoid this. Wich we can do with an openshove heey!
Sexy voice!!
Jan. 18, 2013 | 4:54 a.m.
"David Emmons gets priced in to a shortstack call". Your losing around $300 on your call with T3o there.
And a little luck? Tssss.
And a little luck? Tssss.
Jan. 14, 2013 | 11:39 p.m.
Great video! Thanks a lot.
Jan. 7, 2013 | 9:10 p.m.
at 17:44 how are we ever gonna find a call with A high on that board? And you would(correct me if im wrong) check back any middle pair on the turn, such as 99-JJ? And if he bets smallish 4 value as you say you would have wanted him 2, are we gonna find a call with 55-77? Considering he probably would checkcall those kind of hands?
Dec. 27, 2012 | 7:19 p.m.
Ty for the reply :) But as I said I don't expect him 2 checkraise a valuehand on river. So why coulnd't we bet small on river to induce? He will 4 sure never shove with anything that has SD, cause he's gonna call with that. My range has a lot of valuehands in it(as you said, even overpairs) so I do not expect him 2 ever checriase river with an overpair. So considering that he iso the fish wide, arnt we ahead of his checkraise on the river?
Dec. 19, 2012 | 4:06 p.m.
Am I the only one who hates having a flatting range here? At least with the sort of hand we have? Raise co, bu flats hmmmm.. range? SC, Gapped SC, smaller pairs etc.
I know our hand plays very well, ip. But we are not balanced here and we open us selfs up 2 a squezejam from bb. So maybe in this spot we actually could balance in strong valuehands here as well. But in general I do not like to have any flatting range on bu with this stack size.
When played like it has, I like checking back flop having our whole range balanced. SD, draws and air can all continue vs a bet on turn meaning we can get value by raising river if we get there 4 exampel.
I know our hand plays very well, ip. But we are not balanced here and we open us selfs up 2 a squezejam from bb. So maybe in this spot we actually could balance in strong valuehands here as well. But in general I do not like to have any flatting range on bu with this stack size.
When played like it has, I like checking back flop having our whole range balanced. SD, draws and air can all continue vs a bet on turn meaning we can get value by raising river if we get there 4 exampel.
Dec. 15, 2012 | 8:04 p.m.
Okey so this hand might be a no brainer, but I was really hestitant on whether to bet the river or not. Limper is a huge fish dropping a lot of money post, not 2 spazzy pre, so that is why i flat pre, also we keep in a lot of aces that we dominate by flatting that is folding 2 a 3b.. Iso raiser is a semi bad reg playing 29/24/11.
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FI is obviously iso raising the fish wide but not as wide as he probably should as he plays a lot of tables.
No point in raising turn her ever? Not folding out any made hands and fold out hands we have beat. He cbets turn oop 65%.
At river he cbets oop 50%. He checkcalls 40%, checkfold 43% and checkraise 10%. Is it 2 sick 2 induce in this spot? He is most def gonna have us on small pocketpair if we make it ~ 160? He thinks we are gonna snap check back A high, check back hands like 34s etc. And i don't expect him 2 ever checkraise a valuehand on river as he expects us 2 make som noise previously in hand with draw hands that now missed. Or should we just checkback river considering our hand will be winning decent amout of time? I don't think he is good enough 2 turn something with sd value into a bluff like 66-99, AK etc.
Would be awesome if someone could just tell me what is right in this spot ;)
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FI is obviously iso raising the fish wide but not as wide as he probably should as he plays a lot of tables.
No point in raising turn her ever? Not folding out any made hands and fold out hands we have beat. He cbets turn oop 65%.
At river he cbets oop 50%. He checkcalls 40%, checkfold 43% and checkraise 10%. Is it 2 sick 2 induce in this spot? He is most def gonna have us on small pocketpair if we make it ~ 160? He thinks we are gonna snap check back A high, check back hands like 34s etc. And i don't expect him 2 ever checkraise a valuehand on river as he expects us 2 make som noise previously in hand with draw hands that now missed. Or should we just checkback river considering our hand will be winning decent amout of time? I don't think he is good enough 2 turn something with sd value into a bluff like 66-99, AK etc.
Would be awesome if someone could just tell me what is right in this spot ;)
Dec. 15, 2012 | 6:56 p.m.
Sorry but it seems 2 me like your just making excuses in retrospective. The fact that we are deep are in our favour in this spot on the ft. If we got shorter stack we could be exploitable due to ICM. But at this stacksize we can never really get exploited. It seems like you have no clue how 2 play ICM correct and you adjust by flatting twice oop with AK which is not that great considering FI;s range is insanely wide and we are gonna fumble in the dark vs a superwide range vs what you said was a unpredictable fish, not really a good scnario. That the guy takes weird sizes and tend 2 go bigger doesnt matter cause he cant jam us and we will be the one shipping on him. If he flats then we have iniative with a good hand.
"I just didn't want to get into a huge all-in preflop in this situation." I think you don't really know how 2 adjust 2 ICM which is OK but please don't refer 2 it then when making a decision cause people here obviously is gonna take everything you say in. Please don't take it personally. We clearly have diff. aspects of how 2 approach the game and you are a tough opponent
If im wroing then maybe you should make a video with the math on this: "Suited makes it a bit tougher, but I still think it'd be a fold."
The best of luck.
"I just didn't want to get into a huge all-in preflop in this situation." I think you don't really know how 2 adjust 2 ICM which is OK but please don't refer 2 it then when making a decision cause people here obviously is gonna take everything you say in. Please don't take it personally. We clearly have diff. aspects of how 2 approach the game and you are a tough opponent
If im wroing then maybe you should make a video with the math on this: "Suited makes it a bit tougher, but I still think it'd be a fold."
The best of luck.
Dec. 13, 2012 | 7:38 p.m.
In your next vid could you maybe be seated at the same spot at the tables? Makes it so much easier 2 watch what you fold everywhere etc. Tack ;)
Dec. 13, 2012 | 6:55 p.m.
really enjoyed the video! Maybe expand the hud with some PF stats seing how you do your small-4b ip.
Ty & GL :)
Ty & GL :)
Dec. 11, 2012 | 3:26 a.m.
awesome video! :) looking forward 4 more. Also maybe a session rec? Ty anyways!
Dec. 11, 2012 | 1:43 a.m.
At 34:27 arnt we deep enough to 3b to 5b jam? ;) If we make it around 19kish, he will most likely go like 36kish something and we can jam and be super OK in the ICM perspective. Considering he will call it of bad as well obv, which 4 us, are great.
In the other very a like scenario you flat again, and look what is gonna happen when you flat and blank. Your oop with he's range being as wide it can be and your gonna get outplayed a lot.
What do you do if Shankin jams? And Morilka isojams? Then we have a knifey ICM spot.
In the other very a like scenario you flat again, and look what is gonna happen when you flat and blank. Your oop with he's range being as wide it can be and your gonna get outplayed a lot.
What do you do if Shankin jams? And Morilka isojams? Then we have a knifey ICM spot.
Dec. 11, 2012 | 12:37 a.m.
At 09:35 to be raisefolding here is obv absurd. Shortstack poker is a solved game, why not jam your whole range?! So insanely explotible otherwise espec. in a tourney like the $320 6max.
Dec. 10, 2012 | 11:55 p.m.
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The ajkt hand on 25:50 was really nice. Is it solver approved on the turn? Feels like we just gonna get into alot of really tough spots on Rivers and play the gussing game but maybe we want to defend this vs half pot.
Most micro players will for sure bets all Straights and sets on the flop so its probery very draw heavy range on the turn as you said.
Jan. 5, 2023 | 10:21 a.m.