Tom M

The villain's hand should be so heavily weighted towards value hands because your two spades are blockers to his most frequent types of bluffs.

The river turns into pure silliness - we're basically turning our hand into a total bluff when we re-pop him because I really don't see what he would call with that we actually beat. I wouldn't expect him to open hands that would river worse 2 pair hands, namely T8 and 86.

So I guess all that being said, do people prefer a river check and let villain have any type of bluffing range?

Hey David,

@ 9:30 w/KQ - I really like this jam. I remember from way back in the day, watching a video on another site where Vanessa Selbst made videos. She basically had this same exact spot and jammed, employing the same exact logic that you employed here.

I also agree about how it's nearly as much of a good play on a flop that doesn't have a flush draw or even some type of straight draw.

Really enjoying the vid series, by the way.

It definitely happened in the SHR cash game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6vbyPqqdg

Is that what you might be remembering?

I'm curious to see more opinions but I feel like flatting could be okay, too.

We're probably never being put on the hand we actually have so we could get paid off on all 3 streets if we flop an ace or king.

We probably are being put in a bunch of midpairs and things like that so we can also fairly easily rep other holdings IP.

I'd fold

I think you got stuck inside your head on this one, tinyelvis. I can appreciate what you're saying about trying to think of non-standard lines and such but this simply is not one of these spots.

Now, if you had said you have reads that the table is very aggressive and you think there's a strong chance a similar stack will 3b shove lightly if you flat ... but the crux of your thought process seemed to boil down to postflop play and I can't get down with that.

If you flat, there is a very strong chance that you lose 2 bb here by flatting and then have the blinds go through you in a few hands and suddenly your 17 bb stack is like 13.5 and you're a bit screwed.

I think postflop was played completely fine.

Like in the dark. This can't be less than great.

nhilathak - I think he meant there are turns that would make the villain shut down. I don't think he meant anything happening on the turn that result in us folding. 

I'd think long-term, too - 401k, health plan if you aren't covered under a spouse etc. etc.

But mostly retirement planning. No one wants to be a 200NL grinder at age 55. 

I feel like a lot of younger people are in for a lot of shock one day when they realize how important it is to set yourself up for the later stages of life. 

Just my two cents overall on anyone thinking of going pro. It isn't 100% specific to this thread but just some food for thought. 

After thinking about this hand for a bit, I agree with all of this. 

Well I think you described Monaco but good luck buying your residency :)

Successfully self-employed.

Then you can play it like ... well I don't want to just put the name of the business out there for anyone to see. I'd rather tell someone more details if things work out well. 

I wouldn't write professional gamer - looks way too nerdy. Tons of girls won't even give that a chance. 

Just my opinion. 

I think Arieh just calls to keep Timo's range as wide as possible and because he probably isn't getting it in pre vs. Timo with A7s and doesn't want to get 4 bet and blown off what is likely the better hand in this spot.

The squeezer also must know Timo is very aggro and Josh is going to flat IP with a fairly wide range so I think the squeezer's range is very wide - any ace, tons of Kx, Qx, all pairs, etc. etc.

Josh is definitely priced in for what's pretty likely to be a flip or a spot where he could be decently ahead, and he still has 20 BB if he loses the hand.

Doubt you can avoid getting stacked due to how short you are. If you cbet and he jams are you really folding? I think it's an unavoidable get it in on flop situation for the most part unless you take the nittiest of approaches.

Any reads on his fold to 3b frequency? We're really deep and in a vacuum I want to say we don't take it down pre often enough to get too far out of line OOP. I'm not sure I'd even bother with the total junk hands. 

For the record, I went through the longer thread and flagged many posts as inappropriate - mostly due to unnecessary name calling and such. I also did not flag only posts made by one user - I saw a few people being out of line with their comments and I really hope that's the end of it at this point. 

This should put it to rest. Computerscreen, you were extremely disrespectful many times over in that thread and you started being that way very early in it. It wasn't as if you were insulted time and time again and then fought back. You were rude and condescending. 

That thread as a whole is an absolute embarrassment to RIO and I wish my Mod capabilities included being able to lock and/or delete threads because I would have pulled the trigger a long time ago. 

I really hope these boards can get back to being the best poker community on the internet. 

Assuming no action in front of me ...

- My stack size
- Stack size of opponents behind me
- My hand (is it value or a steal - if a steal, do I have blockers)
- Defense frequency hand of the SB and BB
- Postflop aggression/skill of the SB and BB
- Aggression/3b frequency/postflop skill of player on button
- Stage of tournament - i.e. are hands I'm considering opening as a steal even worth it
- 3b frequencies of all players behind me

Clearly not in order and done more as stream of conscious and I may still be leaving things out. It's not like I think about all this each hand - most is muscle memory by now as I observe the table and decide how I'll play from each position. 

I know Danny takes creative lines but I've only seen him do it much further into a tournament. I really doubt he has anything besides aces here.

He's not a nit preflop like some MTT players are but there's no way he's just gonna decide to tool out so early in a 5k. I'm not folding pre, though, and I am not 6 betting. 

I don't see him 5 betting QQ too much, either, for what it's worth.

I'd like to see a concept video for MTT's where the instructor sets up a certain board/hand that could get tricky or marginal, however you want to phrase it ...

And then the instructor would go into which line he would take vs. different types of players but using the same exact hand as the model, if that makes sense.

Like, you could describe which line you'd take vs. a fish, TAG, LAG, top reg, etc. using the same stack size and board but not construct a simple enough hand where the answer becomes "fold" or "shove" vs. most villain types.

It isn't lost :)

If you just click MTT instead of browsing by stakes, it's still one of the 10 newest threads in the whole MTT forum.

Browsing this way is a lot easier, too.

I made an official MTT video suggestions thread in the MTT forum which has gotten tons of replies and I know several of the video makers actively read it and have replied within it. 

I think something like that could work well in each sub-forum and I like the specific suggestion you've made here. 

GT, your GIF game is pretty next level.

I tilt far more in MTT's than I ever have in any cash game. 

Only a PLO player would say he played MTT's to take a break from variance haha.