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Hi guys, I'm trying to build my call-4bet ranges when I 3bet linear, and I'd like your thoughts about some concepts.

First of all, the R, meaning the percentage of equity we're gonna realize,
I calculated the R of some hand-types needed to make the call EV0, based on their equities against my 4bet range of CO (assuming we 3bet linear in BU) :
AQo-TT (R=0.6) > AJo-99-88 > KQo > ATs-JTs > 78s (R=0.85)

I guess when we have an R<1 the call is easily +EV, especially in position. The things that can make our call -EV is the reverse impled odds we have given we'll play against QQ+ a large % of time, and the fact we'll fold the best hand sometimes.
Another thing important to consider is that the SPR are very low, so I guess there are less implied and reverse implied odds, then the R will vary less than in 3bet pots. Do you think we can have the R needed with those hands or the reverse implied odds are too important with hands like AJo KQo ?

I'd also like your thoughts on the "call multiplier", I mean by that the extra % of hands we have to call with to defend against a 4-bet as effective as a jam. Here's an example, CO opens, BU 3bets, CO 4bets, if we jam we prevent CO to realize any of his equity with his 4bet bluff, because he won't see any flop. When we call 4bet to defend, he'll realize some of his equity, so we'll have to defend more when we call than when we jam. So let's say we 3-bets 10%, CO 4bets, we have to defend around 45% of our 3-bets, so 4,5% : We jam 2% of time, then there is still 2.5% to defend, and we assume we'll have a call multiplier of 2, so we'll call-4bet 5% of time.

I guess the call multiplier should be higher out of position than in position, as vilain will realize more of his equity with his bluffs in position, and I also guess that the call multiplier should be lower in 4bet than in 3bet pot, given the SPR is smaller so the implied odds are smaller.
In 3bet pots I saw a lot of people using a call multiplier around 2 and 2.5. Do you thing a call multiplier of 1.8 would be good for a calling-4bet IP ?

Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts guys

Hi guys, I know this is kind of easy maths and I did this many times but I checked my 4betting range today (for the first time in a long time) and now I have doubt about some of my calculations, and I don't want to be wrong about this given how often the spot happens

Let's say we're in CO and BU 3bets us
CO opens 2.5, BU 3bets 7.5, CO 4bets 19, BU shove
We want to prevent BU from shoving light (with 32% equity against our 4b/calling range) and winning money, we want to make BU EV0 in this spot.
(I chose 32% equity because it's the equity of a pocket pair against JJ+ AK)

When CO folds : BU wins 7.5+19+1.5 = +28
When CO calls : BU wins 200 32% of time and lose 100 68% of time = -36

So BU is risking 36 to win 28 : 36/(28+36) = 56%

So we have to 4b/call 44% to make BU indifferent between shoving TT and folding, right ?

Thx for taking the time to answer me !

Hi guys, now GTORB has solved some flop, turn and river situations, I think we can compare it to Snowie and see if there's any difference.
If someone uses both programs, is there certain situations that Snowie and GTORB don't take the same line, don't have the same range ?
Thx a lot I'm very curious about that and I think I'm not the only one

Hi guys, I shared a thought on the thread "reg raises over pair on low draw heavy board", but given the fact it's more a general thought about how to play our range in certain kind of spots, I think it can have its own thread (and a better visibility) :

In those kind of spots where we 3b OOP and get a draw heavy flop, what do you think about CB the pot, then overbet shove 1.5x OTT (when 100bb deep) ? It allows us to bluff more OTT, and decreases our positional disadvantage given that we play only 2 streets OOP rather than 3.
I'm not talking about that in an exploitation way, let's say vilain is a GTO player, do you think it's better to bet 0,5p OTF OTT and OTR, or 1p OTF then 1.5p OTT ?
Matthew Janda talked about this line in his book

Hi guys, I saw on several topics some people are using EDVisualizer, but I have trouble to find it online. Do you have a link or something ?

Thank you !

Fish 38/28, 11% 3b OOP, in SB
Hero BB

* HOLE CARDS *
Dealt to Hero [Ah Ks]

MP: raises €1 to €1.50
Fish: raises €3 to €4.50
Hero: raises €6 to €10.50
MP: folds
Fish: calls €6

* FLOP * [Jc 5h 6s]
Fish: checks
Hero: bets €9.50
Fish: calls €9.50

* TURN * [Jc 5h 6s] [4h]
Fish: checks
Hero: checks

* RIVER * [Jc 5h 6s 4h] [2h]
Fish: bets €26.14 and is all-in
Hero: folds

Those spots are just tilting me, should I shove on the turn here ? Or call the river ? I feel I'm giving up a lot of equity against his range here but I'm not sure the shove is +EV
Maybe check back the flop is best here ?
Thanks a lot

Hero MP, Vilain CO

* HOLE CARDS *
Dealt to Hero [8h 7h]
Hero: raises €1 to €1.50
Vilain: calls €1.50

* FLOP * [Kc 5s Th]
Hero: bets €2.32
Vilain: calls €2.32

* TURN * [Kc 5s Th] [Ah]
Hero: bets €5.50
Vilain: calls €5.50

* RIVER * [Kc 5s Th Ah] [Ad]

My question is should we bet this river as a bluff, obviously in a GTO way we should have some bluff here, but most of his bluffcatchers have a great blocker, an ace, so he will be always calling with his bluffcatch, then should we ever bluffbet here ?
Thanks a lot

Hi, in the search tool I would like to use some key words to search for particular videos, but it finds all the videos with thoses key words in the comments.

I don't know if it's possible to filter by titles.

Thanks.

Hi guys, I was wondering about a situation where you're in BU vs a CO open 200bb deep. I find 1 pros and 1 cons for 3-betting a linear range : it makes the pot bigger IP but it reduces the SPR.

I think it's pretty clear that for a hand like 56s we preferred to call for having the higher SPR possible. And for a hand like AQo we preferred to 3b/call for putting more money into the pot in position.

But for hands like JTs or KJs, it's good to have a high SPR but it's also nice to make the pot bigger. So my question is : the more the stack depth grows, the more we should be 3-betting hands like KJs or JTs ? 

Hi guys, I have the feeling this move is standard for most MS regs, but to be honest I don't really see why.

When you 4-bet AQ at 16bb and vilain shoves, you have 37% equity against this shoving range {99+, AQs+, A5s, AQo+},  but you need 42% (84bb/200bb).

Also AQ is playing very well in a 3b pot IP.

On the other hand when vilain is calling your 4-bet you're in a good position with AQ, but is it worth it ?

Thanks !