JMMaga

Nope, only on regulated market . We are now playing PT ES and FR players. It's big enough to be worth it ;) Especially during series!!

Add me on skype and we can work that later ;) JMMaga

Totaly understand your thoughts but I think it is a ICM fold.
Normally in this type os spots were I know in theory is a fold (like you seem to know) but I really want to call because because someone is clearly shoving very light I think "If the payjumps were 100times bigger would I make the call?" ... "nope" lol And I have my answer ;)

Now I'm going to see how I'm doing with my ranges in each position and with diferent stack sizes in terms of profitability.

My plan is to check the bottom of the range and to see if, from the hands I VPIP more often, I'm loosing any money.

4BB-6BB I don't think I have enough hands to take any conclusions.

8BB-12BB EP:

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8BB-12BB EP Bottom of Shoving Range

As you can see, aldough I win money even with the bottom of my shoving range, seems that I'm losing money with the hand I VPIP the most from this range, A5s.
A4s, A5s, A6s, T9s and Q9s all seem to be loosing hands. I probably cannot completely eliminate them from my range but I wonder if the ones I VPIP the most, A5s and T9s should be in my shoving range with less frequency. 100% seems too much and maybe I should have some type of criteria to shove this hands instead of just blind shove because is in the Nash Range. Choose a tigh BB or wait for an amateur player to be in the BB seems the two most important factors to consider in this case or maybe let them go if the table is full of REGs. What do you think guys?

8BB-12BB MP:

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8BB-12BB MP Bottom of Shoving Range

Well, the hand in question is the same, A5s. Aldough is not the one with the bigger absolut frequency, is the one that I have the highest VPIP (100% Shove Freq) and still loose money with it.
Only lower on the list comes 87s (57.1% Shove Freq) and J8s (35% Shove Freq).
Anyway A2s, A3s and A4s are all profitable with a lower shove frequency so I guess the conclusion I can take is that I can't just shove A5s and wait for the hand to turn a profit. I have to choose more carefully the spots using probably the criteria I described above.

8BB-12BB CO:

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8BB-12BB CO Bottom of Shoving Range

Nothing seems to frequent to take any conclusions and the hands I VPIP more are in the green and only lower on the list some unprofitable hands come up, but with a very low absolute frequency.

8BB-12BB BTN:

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8BB-12BB BTN Bottom of Shoving Range

In this data sheet I decided to order hands by absolut frequency because I had a bunch of 100% VPIP hands but just with one or two occurrences.
As you can see, from the hands I get the most K6o and Q9o seem to be the ones I need to pay more atention to the spot when I shove. I have a high frequency shove with this hands and I'm loosing money, so something needs to change ;)
The ones lower on the list I will not consider due to lack of occurrences.

8BB-12BB SB:

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8BB-12BB SB Bottom of Shoving Range

Taking a look at the numbers nothing seems too crazy because I don't have enough data to take any serious conclusions. I would say just to pay atention to the offsuit hands I'm shoving with more frequency and to let some of them go especially in SB spots where the BB is a REG that is going to have a proper calling range and frequency.

CONCLUSION:

I'm glad to see that I'm winnig money even with the bottom of my shoving range in every position.
Anyway, the positions I think I need to improve more are the early ones where seems that sometimes I do not pick the right frequencies to shove some hands, especially A5s.

Waiting for some feedback guys ;) Take care!

Now I'll do the same exercise for a stack size between 8BB and 12BB.

First the NASH RANGES for 10BB Stacks:

(EP Positions)
UTG - 14.7% - 44+ A8s+ A5s ATo+ K9s+ KQo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s+
UTG+1 - 17% - 33+ A4s+ ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s+

(MP Positions)
MP1 - 19.8% - 22+ A3s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T8s+ 98s
MP2 - 22.6% - 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K8s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s 87s
MP3 - 28.5% - 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K7s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J8s+ JTo T8s+ 97s+ 87s

CO - 34% - 22+ Ax+ K5s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo J8s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 86s+ 76s 65s

BTN - 42.7% - 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K6o+ Q5s+ Q9o J7s+ J9o T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s

SB - 71%% - 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o T2s+ T7o+ 93s+ 96o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s

Now my stats for 8BB-12BB Stacks:

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8BB-12BB Stack Stats

Aldough I know sometimes I have a Open Raise range with 12BB, the vast majory of the time I'm shoving as the stats show.

Comparing the stats with the ranges we can some trends:

• EP I'm playing a range looser than Nash, 18.4% stats vs something between 15% and 17% from Nash. This can come from two things: or I'm shoving too much or I'm raise folding some hands (for sure is the later);
• MP seems that I'm pretty much on the sweet spot 24.8% stats vs something between 20% and 28.5% from Nash;
• CO 33.8% stats vs 34% Nash, seems about perfect;
• BTN 43% stats vs 42.7% Nash, seems again very good;
• SB 69.6% stats vs 71% Nash, seems on the mouche again;

So, from this numbers I can say I'm very pleased to see that I'm playing very solid when it comes to shove from a 8BB to 12BB Stack;

Now I would like to know the profitability of this Nash ranges against the average field I face when I play. Maybe they are mathematically perfect, but not perfect against a non GTO calling range from the field I face.

That's the subject of the next post.

Thanks again guys. Waiting for some feedback ;)

For the next part, my idea was to filter my hands for stack sizes in each position in unopened pots to see my UO PRF% and see if it matches the numbers from nash shoving ranges.

I have charts for all 8 positions and HM2 only alows me to work with 5 positions so some interpretation is needed.

NASH SHOVING RANGES for 5BB Stack: (You can also compare with yours and see if we have the same results)

(EP Positions)
UTG - 24.1% - 22+ A2s+ A7o+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s
UTG+1 - 28.5% - 22+ A2s+ A5o+ K5s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s

(MP Positions)
MP1 - 31.8% - 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K4s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s
MP2 - 34.8% - 22+ Ax+ K3s+ K9o+ Q6s+ Q9o+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s
MP3 - 40% - 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K7o+ Q5s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o T7s+ T9o 97s+ 87s 76s

CO - 45.1% - 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q3s+ Q8o+ J6s+ J8o T6s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s

BTN - 54.4% - 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J4s+ J8o T6s+ T8o 96s+ 98o 86s+ 76s

SB - 83.3% - 22+ Tx+ 92s+ 94o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s

Now my stats for 4BB-6BB Stacks:

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4BB-6BB Stack Stats

Comparing the stats with the ranges we can some trends:

• EP I'm playing too loose 35.1% vs the nash ranges of 24.1% and 28.5%;
• MP I'm playing 43.7% vs MP ranges all of them below 40%, again too loose;
• CO stats 49.1% vs 45.1% nash, again too loose;
• BTN stats 55% vs 54.4% nash, seems right;
• SB stats 81.5% vs 83.3%, seems ok on the tight side.

So, seems that I'm pushing a bit too loose as we go from LP to EP and I it's probably a leak of my game that I have to fix. More patience and wait for the right spot even If I have to fold some good looking hads with this shorter of a stack.
Now, my main doubt if that if 3.2K hands in this situations is enough to take this type of conclusions or if I need a bigger sample. What do you guys think?

Next post I'll do the same exercise with 8-12BB Stacks.

Thanks a lot

Ok, I've updated the stats:

• Position

• Stack Size

Ok, now I can see how I'm doing when shortstacked in each position.

Seems acurate ;)
He snaped me off with KQo.
I don't think it's a bad call but for my experience at FT buble people tend to cry and often fold that hand vs a 17BB shove especially when he had a bit less than 50BB and my stack was still a big portion of his.
Thanks for helping out on the conversation ;)

It would also be a fine discussion if we can imagine what range should be a open raise and call in his shoes ;) Give me some thoughts!
And then I can tell you the actual hand he had! eheh

About the TT fold, you can always say "Oh, I remember this one. Classic missclick" ;) Ahah

Nice Video! Thanks ;)

Thanks a lot! Will take a look ;)

Thank you.
At the time I thought QJs should be a call because of flop playability but QJo was a shove especially vs a player that is going to CBet a lot and make me play more fit or fold with my short stack.

Great Video Phil!!

As a begginer in PLO, I would say I prefer zoom tables especially to understand what hands should I VPIP.
But to break the routine this format seems great! 1.5x speed looks good and no sound from the fotage prevents distractions and any speech information I guess you would remeber, so all in all a great format!

Keep them come ;)

Hi Daniel! Thanks for the video!

At min 21 in your video you're assigning BTN flating range and you give an 100% weight to his unsuited hands and 50% wheight to his suited hands.
I'm by no means an high stakes player, so my question / sugestion could be wrong, but: shouldn't most of the flating range of BTN be playable hands that he wants to play post flop IP vs an amateur (and don't mind play multiway) and his 3Bet for Value and Bluffing range consists more of the top of the range and some less post flop playable hands with good blockers (that he wants to play mostly HU vs the amateur when gets called) ?
And by this I mean, shouldn't his flating range has more suited hands than his 3Bet range?

At min 30, you're talking about your line and that you dont like your check-raise on the flop.
Should that be your line only with a lower SPR and not with 250BB? With some stack size where you can check raise something like 3.5x on the flop and then pot shove blank turns? Or do you think that even with a lower SPR your line should include more leads like your line with 250BB?

Thanks a lot, keep up the good work ;)

Very interesting video Owen!
I think it would be a good follow up video one where you aplly this sheet and the information in it to a range vs range situation (something like BTN vs BB) to see how the diferent SPRs influence your lines regarding the diferent parts of your range.
Or maybe you can choose a specific hand and see how diferent lines can be aplied in diferent board textures with diferent SPRs.
Keep up the good work!

35:00 I agree with your read when you say maybe you should fold vs a possible dominating draw in a spot that you have your read but are not totaly sure about it.
Now lets say you have KQs (nut flush draw), would you act on your read that they could be both weak and shove with your better draw? I tend to just call in a board Axx because I always get the feeling that most inexperienced players tend not to fold in this boards their top pair and I don't have enough fold EQ. But maybe I'm playing it wrong and should embrace a more variance heavy line in this type of spots. What do you think?

Keep up the good work!

Hi Nicolau, great video!

Two questions:

• In the beginning of the video you talk about the AJo (UTG) and how you prefer to open maybe 98s. I would say for the most part I agree, but is it a consideration for you, on that decision, the stakes you are playing or the players you have at the table? Lets say, do you open AJo in a 11$ and not in a 109$? Or do you fold with a bunch of regs behind but open with 4/5 amateurs players (with tipical 40/10 Stats) ? Or do you think just the pure value of the hand and your position is enough for you to take your decision?

• Min 33 with the A6s, you talk about your SB strategy and how you have 100% 3Bet strategy for some hands. For the most part I agree and I employ that strategy too. Now my question is: Do you think balance is important in this kind of spots or you don't mind to have a more caped calling range in the SB when you decide to just flat call? Especially with >75BB in Mtt, I tend to be more unbalenced and my calling range will me caped for the most part (tight and very playable, but capped) and only when I get down to <30BB, I start to mix some AA or KK traps with some agressive BB behind. Do you think balence is overvalued in Mtt or you think it should be a concern in this type of SB strategy decisions?

Thanks a lot, keep up the good work! Vammoooo =)