IveGotTheNuts
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Basically, which one do you think is more +EV? Max late regging into MTTs has some obvious benefits. But I always thought that playing a tournament from the very beginning would give you a higher ROI. I've been questioning that hypothesis the last few weeks. When we're towards the end of late reg in an MTT, a big part of the field has already busted. A 50bb stack at this stage is obviously worth more than a 50bb stack in the initial stages. If you late reg at 20bb and get a double now that's a 40bb stack. The incentive to play from the very beginning is obviously to give ourselves a better chance to build a massive stack so that we improves our chances of reaching the FT with a big stack. But I feel like there's a possibility that late stage shortstack play is nearly as profitable, maybe more. (Also, when I say late stage I'm obviously talking about the stages when we have the last 20% or so of late reg left, and rebuy stack is somewhere between 10-20bb.)
My initial hypothesis is something I still feel confident in, but I feel like I'm also receptive to the idea that shortstack late stage play might yield a higher winrate/ROI, that it contributes more to our ROI. Since everything tournament related when it comes to macro level stuff is very much art rather than science, I wonder what the answer is. Or maybe I'm just completely off base and there are things that make the answer very clear that I'm completely ignorant of.
What do you guys think?
July 9, 2021 | 12:23 a.m.
Basically, which one do you think is more +EV? Max late regging into MTTs has some obvious benefits. But I always thought that playing a tournament from the very beginning would give you a higher ROI. I've been questioning that hypothesis the last few weeks. When we're towards the end of late reg in an MTT, a big part of the field has already busted. A 50bb stack at this stage is obviously worth more than a 50bb stack in the initial stages. If you late reg at 20bb and get a double now that's a 40bb stack. The incentive to play from the very beginning is obviously to give ourselves a better chance to build a massive stack so that we improves our chances of reaching the FT with a big stack. But I feel like there's a possibility that late stage shortstack play is nearly as profitable, maybe more. (Also, when I say late stage I'm obviously talking about the stages when we have the last 20% or so of late reg left, and rebuy stack is somewhere between 10-20bb.)
My initial hypothesis is something I still feel confident in, but I feel like I'm also receptive to the idea that shortstack late stage play might yield a higher winrate/ROI, that it contributes more to our ROI. Since everything tournament related when it comes to macro level stuff is very much art rather than science, I wonder what the answer is. Or maybe I'm just completely off base and there are things that make the answer very clear that I'm completely ignorant of.
What do you guys think?
July 9, 2021 | 12:21 a.m.
korn1337 You mention that you suspect villain is nitty and value betting tight on this river. Ideally though, hands like QT, T9 and JT should be raising flop and barreling turn at some frequency (right?). In that scenario, T9 has to be a value bet on the river, no?
Dec. 17, 2020 | 6:52 p.m.
It was my understanding that GG doesn't allow HUDs? Or is that just for MTTs? I basically thought that no stat gathering of any kind is allowed, which would include databases.
Dec. 14, 2020 | 3:52 p.m.
Agree with what DNegs98 is saying. And a suggestion, but consider using commas when you answer. You are very good at delivering your thought process in a coherent fashion, and this is despite the missing commas virtually everywhere. I'm sure it would make it a bit more easier for everyone to understand the points with a bit more attention to that.
Dec. 12, 2020 | 3:55 p.m.
Hey Nuno, can you give me some details of the course?
Nov. 15, 2020 | 7:53 a.m.
Additionally, CREV has a function to predefine an entire tree automatically.
Where exactly is this? I haven't seen this functionality and haven't seen any mentions of it in CREV either.
Nov. 14, 2020 | 6:14 p.m.
GTO+ is a Nash Equilibrium solver. You provide a set of ranges for OOP and IP, choose a particular flop along with bet and raise sizing options for each street, and when done solving, it will give you a complete solution for the model that you built.
CREV is not a Nash solver. It does have an equilibrium solver tool that comes with it, but I don't have much information about it.
Using CREV, you build a tree manually for all the branches that you need, then specify ranges for each of those actions, and when you make a test EV run, it will show you the EVs for each action you take at every decision point in the tree. You can also look at EVs for individual combinations within ranges to see how those particular hands do in comparison to others. The main value in CREV comes from being able to modify ranges at different points and see how that affects the EV of that decision and the EVs at earlier nodes in the tree. This helps you fine-tune your exploitative understanding of spots better as you carry out more and more sims on different spots with different test assumptions.
GTO+ will show you what optimal play is supposed to look like within a given model. CREV will help you a lot more in taking advantage of pool imbalances and making high incentivised exploits vs unbalanced villains.
If you have more questions, just shoot me a PM :)
Nov. 13, 2020 | 8:22 a.m.
How much work is nodelocking in GTO+? I haven't used a lot of Pio either, but from what I've seen, if you wanna look for, say, later street exploits, like altering your turn barrel/checkback ranges and turn call vs x/r range given a specific set of ranges for both players arriving on the turn after your chosen flop action, you'll have to manually lock villain's strategy on every/most turn cards to see a change in optimal play OTT. I'm pretty sure it was sauloCosta10 who said that in another thread somewhere.
Also, does GTO+ have the 'Runouts EV Comparison (Hotness)' tool? I find that it's very useful to quickly see what our overall strategy looks like on different turn and river cards after the preceding action. For example, 25bb BB vs BTN SRP on QsJh2h, villain c-bets 1/3, and I x/r. On what cards do I check the most? Where do I play mostly a mixed strategy? Which cards am I supposed to barrel the most?
And the same questions about nodelocking at the top come into the picture again. If I know villain is playing a certain way/some combos in a way that I know is suboptimal, then what exploitative adjustments could I/should I be making, and are they worth it?
Because of its extremely high value for money over Pio, I'm very much leaning towards buying GTO+ in the near future. Since you're well versed with GTO+, anything you'd like to add/anything I'd like to know before I pull the trigger?
This became a lot longer than I anticipated (I got carried away, haha.)
Sick climb. Hoping to see more updates in the future about the 500NL shot and everything else. Godspeed, man.
Jan. 20, 2021 | 6:31 p.m.