ILoseFlips

I would be more inclined to call in BB vs SB, here I think his range is tighter OTB vs 2 players, we have less good odds and BB can wake up with a hand (and cover us).

I would fold

I don't mind my 3bet, folding is obvisouly fine and maybe better but I don't think 3betting is a big mistake, espcially close to the FT where people are a bit more scared.

Glad to see you are folding too, I had a doubt when he shown me 88 after my tank fold, but yeah I'm probably way behind his shoving range, espcially 9 left.

ty ^^

• MP+2 is shoving 3BB so it's not a big concern.
• CO call doesn't look that strong to me (depend on player obv), I except him to iso his strong hands, imo it could be a lot of stuff, small A, broadways, small pairs... Might be AA/KK but we are still way ahead of his range imo.
• BTN shove is more scary. That said, there is a lot of dead money in the pot and he only has 17BB, I easily can see him shoving at least 88+, AJo+, ATs+. We are 55% favorite against that. He might be loser of tighter depending on his tendencies and how he sees CO.

So I think I would shove here, I except CO to fold a lot and we have good equity against BTN, plus we cover him, so if we lose we still have 15BB to play.

Ok thanks

Yeah, against this guy I think I have to shove the turn. Against a better player, I actually think it's really marginal as he will not call worst often (maybe 89 if he has this in his X/R/C range) espcially when we are only 16 left and have two big stacks, ICM should impact his decision.

I think it depends a lot on your opponent. Against a reg who will fold hands like AT/AJ/T9/J9..., low flushes on that turn I more inclined to Xb and call good rivers. Against a fish who is not folding anything and calling with any draw, any pair, any worst king I'm barreling for value and folding if he raises. I might also value small on good rivers against a fish.

I think you can go both way OTF, I would probably cbet as it's a good flop for and he seems pretty loose (33% vpip) and so he has way more air than a tighter player.

OTT I think it's ok to call as he can be stabing a lot of draws, the only problem is that when you Xb K high flop you rep sdv as it's a flop you will cbet bluff a ton and so if he is aware of that he will maybe stab less or double turn + river a ton. It depends on the thinking level of your opponent imo.

OTR his sizing looks really like value/thin value. I don't know if he has a bluffing range with this sizing, and the way we played the hand we rep SDV so I think folding is best and we can't really raise here as we don't rep anything except maybe 33.

I'm ok with flatting pre.

I don't like raising OTF, you are against a strong UTG range that hits that flop and a lot of players don't cbet TT - KK here and if they do we are not sure at all they will fold as you don't rep a lot of hands here except A9s/A6s/99/66. Plus I would not choose TT to raise here, it plays pretty poorly when called, you don't even have Tc and you don't block any of his value hands except maybe AT, a hand like KQ with a club would be way better imo to raise here.

Once called I would justo give up as his range is now Ax heavy and the J helps AJ and JJ. It's why turning a decent bluff catch hand into a bluff and x/f when called is bad imo. I would nust called his cbet and see what he does OTT, probably folding when he double as we are against an UTG range.

I would lead flop and barrel, there are too many hands as JT, QT, KJ and small Ax that they are checking back OTF, espcially in a limped pot with passive players.

As played, I would fold, I don't think he is shoving rivered DP, espcially when the flush hits.

I would just shove preflop.

Ok thanks guys, I tried a raise to 4 OTR, I really don't like it, he just snapcalled me with JTo.

About the turn barrel I'm still not sure, he doesn't looked like a guy who is folding anything OTT so I have to triple a lot (or I'm just burning money if he never fold OTT) but he is probably never folding TP and calling with some of his second/third pair imo so I'm not sure barreling turn + river is that great against a calling station.

Anyway thanks, always nice to discuss spots with you :)

In general raises in 3 bet = nutz in nl10. Given your turn sizing I don't think he is ever bluffing here, he should except you to never fold and to have QQ+ a lot. I think it's a fold OTT unless the guy is bad enough to shove 99-JJ, you will be against 33/44/66/88 a lot here (plus there are no possible FD). It sucks because of your turn sizing you have good odds (something like 25% no?) but I don't except to be ahead more than 10% here.

About your line flop is standard and turn should be a bet/fold, You can maybe X/C but i don't really like it and you are in a bad spot on a lot of river if he shoves

Yeah fold turn imo, even flop is close without the 9c.

The river is kind of interesting because some players would not value KK here. So his range is more polarized between straight and air and he doesn't have a lot of straight especially if you have the read that he 3 bet depolarized. You don't have a lot of straight too except 66 and 67s = 10 combos, you have already more combos of KQ (and KJs, KTs...) so it's not a bad spot for him to bluff (I mean given your range not his).

I would probably fold the river with no better read but would consider calling, maybe more than OTT

Ok thanx guys, I actually endup time out folding, still not sure if I would have called. Given the odds I think I have to, but it really looks like value and. I can't be sure he always 2 barrel AA/KK, as I said he might be scared of AA with KK or just make some weird trap. I also don't know if JJ is in his range preflop (most players just flat in these positions) and my range is pretty face up too. His flop sizing also looks like a hand that want to be called (i would use this sizing with AA imo)

Yeah agree with preflop, as I said, I 3bet because his raising frequency were pretty high. Against a 20/18 player I would have just called.

Yeah pretty agree with others, in general the best time to bluff raise river is when your opponent is thin valuebetting, here you block some of his thin value bets and he is never valuebetting worst than a J imo, and probably a good J.

As he raised in SB, his range is pretty wide so i think he has some bluff in it so you can bluffcatch (and you block some of his valuebets too).

I don't think your play is aweful here, you rep pretty strong (even if you don't rep a lot of value hands except T8 and some slowplayed set) and don't have a lot of bluff as you said and he should definitively fold some better hands. I just think that you would have better hand to bluff raise here and if you start raising your Jx you will endup raising to much imo (bluffraising with 9x and bluffcatching wit Jx is better imo than the opposite)

I would add, even if it's result oriented, that if the guy called with AJ here, it's maybe not the good opponent to bluffraise as he is not folding the worst part of his value range)

Yeah if you want :)

The thing I want to point out is that overbetting for value against a weak range doesn't accomplish that much and I think his range is way more weaker when we have AA than when we have QQ.

You said you prefer QQ because AA blocks his continuing range, then you said villain will most likely fold everything except huge combodraws and sets. This seems to be a bit of a contradiction.

When I say he will fold nearly all his range it's because he has very few Ax in it so he has really few hands that can continues vs the overbet. He will maybe calls some AJ/ATs but it's only 5 combos, with QQ instead of AA it's now 15 combos so 3 times more of potential calls.

I'm not saying he will always call with Ax, but if he fold 100% of his Ax, our overbet is really bad as we missed a lot of value against a 0 equity hand.

The problem with overbetting with that hand is that you block a lot of his continuing hands (Ax). I would prefer to have QQ here. By overbetting, you just make him fold nearly all his range imo except 88/(QQ) (which is stacking of anyway) and maybe huge combo draws (KJdd, KTdd, JTdd) that didn't raise OTF.

I think I would Xb flop, he has QQ+ (maybe AJ and some KQ slowplays) in his range (because this flop just smahses your range: JJ/TT/99, JTs, T9s, KQ...), plus you don't really to get X/R here.

As played, I think the shove is too thin on this turn, I don't see a worst hand calling here (and as you sized your flop bet big so his range is stronger) and I think a hand like QQd will often call as 9d reduces your flush combos (espcially when he has the Qd) and also some set and DP combos (plus he is now ahead of JT). Pretty sick but your shove looks more like a bluff than a value bet to me (you might make him fold AA no diamond here)

If you want to play an exploitive style it's harder to get balanced.

If you want to get balançed, you can start by asking youself how you would play your value hands and try to play some of your bluff the same way. You can for example check some good Ax OTF and go for two streets turn + river and so add sole bluff with this line, KQ/KT/QT are good hands as you block some of his strong hands.

That said, against a spewy/cally opponent there is no problem giving up with KQ on A99, if you think his Xb range is weak you can probably bet turn+ river if youu think he is capable of folding a hand like QQ or Jx...

Strange, obv 3betting or shoving looks both super strong but a small 3 bet really looks like the absolute nutz to me (AK) espcially on this kind of flop where people tend to not bluff espcially 5 way. A shove looks also really strong but more like QQ that need more protection. I mean it's the way I would read it if I was facing a small 3bet or a shove.

I would cbet the flop but you probably checked for balance concern so I don't mind it espcially with the Ac.

OTR I think it.s a clear bet, Qx is a good part of his range. When he raises, hum... bad spot, it depends on your opponent but I think checking back with Jx is pretty standard OTF for a lot of players (hands like JTs, QJs...) so I can find a fold. That said, a good opponent might understand that your range is pretty capped here and that you don't have a lot of J in your range and try to push you off a Q. I think I would fold, his sizing is huge too, he also can have 66/44/JJ

I think you played it well, no matter what you do you will look super strong, I think. You look weaker by shoving than 3betting to 19 OTF imo. You can flat but there are some action killers and T, J, Q are bad cards too. They probably never fold worst straight and QQ is also probably calling thinking you might have JJ/TT here (even if yo probably don't shove with TT/JJ). They will also maybe discount AK of your range as you just flat (Even if it's probably std in FR) and K9 isn't in your range.

Given the fact he is a fish and only has 40BB I don't think we can fold, I would have fold if BTN came over the top. It obviously looks like KQ but we have some outs and it might be a combo draw, worst two pairs or sometimes just AK/AQ. 100 BB deep, I would probably never go broke OTF (unless he is really super bad)

Fold, it's always 77 (even if in game I'm probably leveling my self and calling the turn and then tank calling the river and then talking to my self "fuck, I knew it, why did I called, I'm so bad..." and then spew another cave on tilt, just fold, trust me, you will avoid losing 2 caves)

Agree with the guys (plus you block his combo draw with Kc)