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FourSixFour's river hero at 32.30 with A9, can you elaborate why A9 is the worst of the Ax he wants to click call with here?

I would of thought it is a fairly decent one if you're betting the turn more often with K9 KT KJ than you might with the lower kicker ones. You will also be 3betting some amount of K5 K6 K7
and also choosing to overbet river here often with any slowplayed straights etc, so vs your 2/3 here A9 seems to do a decent job of blocking value. I would of thought A9>AQ>A6 or something

Great video as always, Cheers

^ Yeah, you said it better in 2 lines than i tried in 7.

Wont the most simple explanation be the correct answer here even though it won't be very logical to our human brains? As in the EV of jamming TT-KK is higher because of everything that happens after that bet compared to everything that happens when we check with them. We didnt look at that line in the video but im guessing a lot of folds and then as we know mostly behind when called but sometimes ahead, like maybe we can think of it as that 37% equity or whatever is close to 50%, sure its worse but the 13% difference must be pio saying that we give up more than that if we give IP the option to jam into us with a perfectly polarised range.

Love the format, great video

Great video!

Great format, would like to see more like this!

35:16 where you give up the river, is this a spot you're happy to just admit you're completely under bluffing and playing super exploitative? We still have a lot of value bets and i understand if a bluff is -EV we should never make it just for the sake of "balance", is that just your thoughts in this spot? Is it not a bit dangerous to let good players see give ups like this? It just felt to me that even though lots of obvious draws missed we still have so many value bet combos and villain still has enough hands that are in tough spots vs shoves that we should just stick to our best approximation of GTO.

Good video as always, thanks!

I don't know... I just see an almost endless bunch of crushers 3betting 15-17% with a small amount of flatting (probably mainly just spots where you want to flat to let fish in etc, so that can kind of fit into what people talk about when they say 3b or fold strategy), Is there really a lot of people 3betting 20% in this spot? I dont think its the normal, 22% is a huge % increase on what the average will 3bet here.. i guess average will be around 14-17 of all regs

Hi Teuness, good to see some more videos from you!

Not sure on the first pio analysis though. Why did you start with a 22% 3betting range from sb? 'This seems so wide i think its messing the results up a bit, the equity difference between that one and a more standard 3b % will probably explain why the strategy for sb was more mixed instead of the high frequencies we see in game.

I think a more standard 3b range and forcing OOP to cbet 1/3 if this is what you're seeing mostly in the games would make the analysis more useful, i think the reason the AJ was a close check in your sim OTR was because of the more polar flop strategy sb was playing on the flop. Looking at the river ranges on the sim it's clear why AJ wants to check, OOP has tons of nutted combos and way less bluff catchers than we see people getting there with in real games imo.

Thanks for the good content!

6:09 - i would of just folded the flop vs this type of player, i don't see too much good that can come unless we hit the 9.. thoughts?

7:34 - Calling pre isn't a little too loose here? Is the call backed by database analysis, or is everyone just calling here?

Really good video, would be happy to watch more of these, but dont stop making 500z videos either! Well played Hero.

Oh i agree that river is an overbet, i should have been more clear, i just had a feeling that your overbet was far too small on the river and that pio would probably not ever use this size over another if it had options like 1.5x 2x or shove. Thanks for the reply!

Great first video, maybe in the future you could do a quick run over the example hands with pio afterwards too, the last hand for example would be nice to see a summary afterwards of which hands can value bet each street and for each size, and also the blocker effects for our bluffs as IP and bluff catches OOP. I have a feeling the size you used with 98 might be a decent mistake, would you still bet this size if you played the hand again?

Nice video man, i think you did a great job of balancing theory and hand examples, the cardrunners EV toy game was a great way to break it up too.

Its interesting to hear your thoughts on the rake, it seems like you've changed your stance a lot on the rake at low stakes having such a big effect? How much would you change your defending ranges in standard spots, like bb vs ep, btn vs ep etc, because it sounded like you were advocating playing a similar style to what you would play at 500 zoom or have i got confused somewhere? I ask because the defending ranges snowy will suggest can vary enormously between 500nl and 200nl nevermind 50nl :)

Thanks as always for the great content!

Nice video, but definitely prefer 3 tables zoom or just 4 normal tables, it was a little hard to follow at times, but still very good thanks!

Great video and format, would like to see more!

good video like the format! thanks

27 seconds in, you say you would fold A2o btn vs bb vs a 3x? This sounds crazy to me, do you have some big database sample saying this is a negative call or can you clarify why you would fold it please? Thanks

Hi good video,

Table 2 at 17:20, you say you would cbet this board bigger if it was vs BB because we have more of a range advantage, and choose the smaller option vs SB as played. Is this not the opposite of what is kind of standard these days? Dont we prefer the smaller bet size vs BB when we have a bigger range advantage? I feel like vs sb we should bet bigger and polarise more because we are not as interested in denying equity so much, and we can't really because his range lacks all those trashy hands that have to fold right away. I hope i worded my question ok, could you explain your thoughts in this spot, do we see top regulars using this sizing vs sb much?

Hey

Table 2 at 4:45, in spots like this vs small blind ranges how do you think we should go about balancing our checking ranges? With 77 i'm torn between adding some of these hands to our checking ranges because if we cbet every pocket pair then our checking ranges seem exploitable. It doesnt look like a spot we can just cbet all our air? I'm also not sure how often we want to check big hands like AA KK just for the sake of balance if they might just make way more money betting the flop. Any thoughts on this? Cheers

6:37 table 2 - you call the squeeze pretty fast, is this not a bit ambitious to play such a weak hand when the SPR is going to be fairly low when we call, and cutoff is going to make us fold our hand a non zero %..? Thanks

hi great video thanks.

16 mins table 1 - You fold the 2nd pair to this line and dont seem to think too much about it, are we not not overfolding to this size if we fold a lot of 9x and this 9x seems better than a hand like A9 for hero calling?

Hi, good video thanks!

19 mins with T9cc, would checking back the turn not make more sense than betting? You use building a bigger pot as a reason for betting, do you think the money we gain when we improve makes up for the fact we are only really getting called by better hands when we bet the turn? I doubt we ever fold better hands either?

My standard would be to check back and call some river bets but maybe i'm worrying too much about strengthening my checking back range after the small cbet line. If we're calling 1 bet regardless of our line then perhaps betting does make more sense with a hand that still has a lot of equity and will make more money going bet bet bet when it improves on a T,9 or flush card, rather than check back and raise river line. Would like to hear your thoughts on this, cheers!

15:15

On the river do you think we need to be as concerned as we are about protecting our middle pocket pairs that we have to check on the A? Feels like it could be a spot where pio might decide to massively over fold when we do start checking? I haven't ran a sim in this exact spot yet but from previous toying around with it i've noticed this kind of thing occur when we have such a nice range advantage but get an unfavorable and perhaps rare run out for a decent chunk of our range. Even though we are not ever considering shoving the A7 here, i'd imagine on a lot of the A rivers, and maybe other high card ones we would want to keep applying pressure with hands like top pair top kicker and bluff aggressively too. Maybe im not wording my thoughts well here but even though we turn up with A7 and it's a nice check call, is it not going to be hard to have a significant check calling range here that deters IP from bluffing, and maybe we are not even supposed to be concerned with over folding.

Loved the video, Thanks.

Great video and the faster than usual pace worked well!

Could you elaborate on how you approach your general turn raise sizes? I'm not sure i'm fully understanding the exact reasons for the larger raises or the smaller raises in every spot.

On boards like the J74rK the big sizing looks great as we have lots of value hands and bluffs and the board is dynamic so the big sizing benefits everything we want to achieve. But then at 12:18 on the Q64ss3 we raise the smaller sizing leaving an almost pot bet on the river, is this board not just as dynamic or are there other factors i'm missing?

There is a more locked down board at 23:42 BvB on the T622, we raise small and leave more than a pot sized bet on the river. Here we have the stronger value range so wouldn't we maximize EV by treating this spot more like a polar game and raising bigger on the turn with as many bluffs as possible?

Apologies if my question is poorly worded, but thanks for the video!

34 mins table 2, i would of expected a cbet almost everything for a small sizing strategy from you here, was this a mistake or do you have a well balanced checking range in these spots? I ask because i would of expected you to cbet a lot of trashy hands small here and would having a checking range not stop our ability to bet a lot of trashy hands small? I don't know if this would be a big concern given how games play but in a theoretical sense there would be villains whose strategy would end up exploiting us right? Thinking of the guys who float a lot of hands and probe rivers and guys who have good x/r ranges on the flop. Thanks

3:35 you fold KTo, can you explain why this is a fold? It seems so alien to me to fold when another person is in the pot so perhaps i am understanding this spot very wrong... Because i assume we are calling vs the original raiser and when the second guy calls my mind usually thinks OK now we're getting even better pot odds and i call without thinking. I guess it's all to do with the cold callers very strong range so where do you draw the line, KJo is a call? Sorry if my question is poorly worded, would just like to hear your thoughts on this spot more. Thank you

great video as usual, thanks!

34:12 you call ep-mp with 66, is this not going to be a losing call?

Enjoyed the video thanks, nice format

Great series, these 100/200 zoom ones are the best imo as there is still plenty of spots vs weaker players which pretty much never come up at 500! Hope im not too late to ask a question.

Hero 3b btn-bb at 7:20 with KJs, IP calls and flop is KQ2hh, your thoughts on the hand all make sense but what are your general thoughts on using a 1/3 cb strategy in this spot? Are many of the good regulars doing this in these btn-bb spots where we have a more polarised 3b range which excludes a lot of hands that enjoy protection/pot control i.e K9s,88 etc?

Thanks man