ElGreno
10 points
Do you really think I will bet anywhere close to as many hands as I will call on the river? No.
I will probably valuebet hands ~JX-value (AA is not that far off from JX) so yes he stacks this range by checking his flush, but those hands are never folding anyway so his check against JX and other flushes is pointless.
Im bluffcatching and checking back on the river the majority of the time here against his preflop 3Bet range. If I have KK QQ TT 99 88 etc im never beting the river while im still calling if he bets. I think his river check with a flush is absolutely horrible.
Dec. 16, 2013 | 2:28 p.m.
Yup,
My initial taught (and why I ended up value-shoving was that I felt he would check-call exactly KK QQ TT more often then he check-calls tripps or a flush, because of how often I expect him to bet those himself.).
But considering how rare the KK QQ TT situation will be and not even knowing he would call those hands I can see how trying to get this potential small value in at the risc of making a big misstake if any of my assumptions are false at any point, are not worth it at all.
So I probably agree it was a misstake.
Dec. 16, 2013 | 1:48 a.m.
Sorry for not converting I'll get that fixed and edit the post.
I dont agree at all about the 4Bet comment you made but thats besides the point, thanks for trying to help with that anyways.
Also thanks for your opinion on the river value-shove.
Maybe you're right about this and maybe I overestimated how often he would shove jack+ himself for value considering.
Obviously I overestimated as I taught he would do that close to 100% of the time and still he did show up with the flush after checking.
Also I think his check is terrible.
We'll see what the other guys have to say.
Edit: Cant seem to find a hand converter on this site, if you'd like me to use one would you please be kind and refer me to one? thanks again!
Dec. 15, 2013 | 1:41 p.m.
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, December 15, 06:41:02 ET 2013
Table Menelaus (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $206.60 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 3,6, Hands: 1185
Seat 2: Player2 ( $201.00 USD ) - VPIP: 43, PFR: 31, 3B: 11, AF: 1,1, Hands: 107
Seat 3: Player3 ( $212.64 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 29, 3B: 18, AF: 1,8, Hands: 87
Seat 5: Player5 ( $200.00 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 14, AF: 0,0, Hands: 87
Player2 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad Ac ]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$4.00 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$14.00 USD]
Hero calls [$12.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Jh, 6c ]
Player3 bets [$21.80 USD]
Hero calls [$21.80 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
Player3 bets [$50.00 USD]
Hero calls [$50.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Player3 checks
........
Hello,
I just sat down and played 200NL on a new site for me so I can not provide any Amazing reads or anything like that but I played about 30 hands at this table when this hand occured.
I opted for the slowplay since Player3 had been 3Beting pretty much every single steal so far and bullied people around a little bit, he seemed "reggish", very attack oriented and didnt seem to take a break. Hence I want to let him keep betting and bluffing postflop.
Now to the river.
I know this particular river COMPLETELY NAILS my precieved range here so what I am wondering is if I should shove the river or if I am too far down in my range here on the river to try to get value?
Here's the result:
Hero bets [$118.80 USD]
Player3 calls [$118.80 USD]
Hero shows [Ad, Ac ]
Player3 shows [4c, Tc ]
Player3 wins $412.70 USD from main pot
It kinda chocked me that he checked a flush considering what was going on preflop etc. but I suppose he was trying to let me turn some bluffcatchers that possibly would fold into bluffs? Wich would argue for my valueshove beeing good/better?
Please let me know, was this too thin? Would checking be a misstake? Im torn on this one.
Dec. 15, 2013 | 12:55 p.m.
Thanks for a different video!
On hand #1 I feel like alot of the strenght in your barrel there comes from him not knowing your postflop bluffing frequencies?
You say that this is a close spot or a call for him with Queens depending on how you assign your own ranges but this is all assuming he knows you're bluffing 100% of the time with your bluffs, wich I assume he doesn't?
I would think this mean your play should show profit against queens as long as he doesnt know your bluffing frequency, since it already beeing kinda close if he knew it was 100%.
I think he has a easy laydown there with Queens unless some specific dynamics and strategy has come into play regardless of him beeing ahead of your actual range, just aslong as he cant say that you're betting all of it 100% of the time.
Am I right here or should he in reality (without much of reads.) be calling here against even the optimistic range of yours that had alot of bluffs in it preflop?
Thanks saucy!
If you say its kinda close on the river then atleast I know I'm not insane!
I kinda felt it was a bad shove but at the same time I also really felt that he was going to make a stupid call so.....
Dec. 16, 2013 | 9:48 p.m.