DeerNBeer
19 points
In the moment I thought the turn was a pretty standard call, given implied odds on a T or a 7, and fully prepared to call the river on anything that doesn't hit the board (like the Qh). I put him on something like A3ss and thought I had a great opportunity to catch a bluff, especially unblocking spades, and beating all the Ax with a low pair type hands he might show up with. I tanked and eventually called because he was so deep stacked and the general population at this place gets crazy when deep. Did i put too many missed draw combos in his range here?
Nov. 23, 2021 | 1:53 a.m.
Blinds: $1.00/$3.00 (9 players)
UTG +1 (Hero) : $700
BB (Villain) : $1000
Pre Flop: ($14)
UTG straddles for $10
Hero in UTG +1 with ThTd
Hero raises to $30, everyone folds to BB (villain), BB calls $30, UTG folds
Flop: ($74)
8s 3c 6s
BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB raises to $90, Hero calls $60
Turn: ($254)
8s 3c 6s 9d
BB bets $100, Hero calls $100
River: ($454)
8s 3c 6s 9d Qh
BB bets $250
Hero: ???
Against unknown villain, typical player at this place is pretty loose. Can Hero find any calls here?
Nov. 20, 2021 | 6:28 p.m.
Where do you check and/or fold?
Nov. 28, 2020 | 10:01 p.m.
PokerStars Hold'em No Limit ($0.15/$0.30 USD)
MP: ($8.61 in chips)
CO: ($33.82 in chips)
BU: VILLAIN ($78.63 in chips)
SB: ($33.05 in chips)
BB: HERO ($63.32 in chips)
UTG: ($14.96 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.15
HERO: posts big blind $0.30
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to HERO [Qc Qd]
UTG: folds
MP: raises $0.30 to $0.60
CO: calls $0.60
VILLAIN: calls $0.60
SB: folds
HERO: raises $1.50 to $2.10
MP: calls $1.50
CO: calls $1.50
BU: calls $1.50
FLOP [9h 3c 8c] Pot: $8.12
HERO: bets $8.10
UTG: folds
MP: folds
VILLAIN: calls $8.10
TURN [9h 3c 8c] [8h] Pot: ~$22
HERO: bets $10.80
VILLAIN: calls $10.80
RIVER * [9h 3c 8c 8h] [2s] Pot: ~$44
HERO: bets $20.10
VILLAIN: raises $37.53 to $57.63 and is all-in
HERO: ????
NOTE ON VILLAIN: makes really wide calls when given a good price
The call $0.60 and then call $2.10 pre makes me think he has an 8 more often than would be expected given the price he was getting to call from the button, but at this point I dont think I can fold. I ended up calling. Was this the right time to stack off?
Nov. 28, 2020 | 9:54 p.m.
he had pocket Ts for what its worth. awful river
Sept. 29, 2020 | 6:42 p.m.
Also, I did have Kc so i was blocking a lot of FDs
Sept. 28, 2020 | 10:30 p.m.
Pokerstars $0.15/$0.30 NLHE
Hero (~100bbs) is big blind with KK. UTG limps, CO (villain, ~100bbs) raises to 5.5bb, Hero reraises to 12bb. UTG folds, CO calls. Board comes out [Jc 8d 6c 3s Th]. Hero bets about half pot all streets to get stacks in, villain calls all streets. Is this overvaluing top pair? Brand new to these stakes, not sure how often villain shows up with AJ/KJ/QJ/QQ/FD here instead of a set or straight. Thought about checking turn but not many cards that scare me on the river so i was comfortable betting turn and barreling river with most cards. Thoughts?
Sept. 28, 2020 | 10:30 p.m.
PokerStars Hand #217865956986: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD)
UTG: ($31.96 in chips)
MP: ($9.73 in chips)
CO: ($8.69 in chips)
BU: ($18.14 in chips)
SB: HERO ($11.05 in chips)
BB: VILLAIN ($20.31 in chips)
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to HERO [Qh Ac]
UTG: folds
MP: folds
CO: raises $0.20 to $0.30
BU: folds
HERO: raises $0.70 to $1
ViLLAIN: calls $0.90
CO: calls $0.70
FLOP [8h Ah 7c] Pot: ~$3
HERO: bets $1.40
VILLAIN: raises $1.40 to $2.80
CO: folds
HERO: calls $1.40
TURN * [8h Ah 7c] [4c] Pot ~$8
HERO: bets $3
VILLAIN: raises $4.80 to $7.80
HERO: calls and is all-in
Unknown villain but in the few hands I played with villain was pretty aggressive. So I put a good amount of flush draw combos in his range. Thats why I bet so small on turn was to induce a bluff raise with any flush draws villain may show up with. Im losing to 15 combos of (AK, 88, 77) but beating/chopping with 22 combos of (AQ, AJ, AT) plus any draws he might show up with. Dont think villain shows up with 99-QQ, and I think villain would 4-bet AK at least some of the time so I discount AK a little. Thoughts?
Sept. 12, 2020 | 11:01 p.m.
not a question just wanted people to see this absurd run out. Poker stars at it again
Sept. 6, 2020 | 10:01 p.m.
Mudkip off topic but how do you post in clean format from stars, still haven't been able to figure that out
Sept. 4, 2020 | 5:04 p.m.
I am really not good at facing donk bets, especially from villains that never open raise. I actually just posted about a similar spot on this forum, and one of the better responses I got was that a pro did a study a found that donk betting is weighted a lot towards top pair and air. Personally, I have seen a lot of donk bets made with already made hands. Villain has a good amount of 2 pair (KT, KJ, JT) that beat you, some sets (KK, JJ) , but the tough part his a lot of his air/worse hands would have a Q in it (AQ, QQ, KQ, JQ, even QT) which are now straights and beat you. The only combo I can see you him barreling for too thin value would be AK and AA, and now its pretty easy to see youre losing a lot more than you are winning. In fact im probably folding the turn since your K is pretty weak and even if you peel a 9 for two pair like you did it makes all the straights I just mentioned.
Sept. 4, 2020 | 4:59 p.m.
this is again assuming donk bets are typically a sign of a weak made hand Mudkip
Sept. 2, 2020 | 11:34 p.m.
i did end up folding but i would have stuck around to see showdown if the 4th heart didn't land. Are there any river cards that would be a good spot to bluff raise?
Sept. 2, 2020 | 11:33 p.m.
PokerStars Hand #217558316015: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) -
BU: ($4.48 in chips)
SB: VILLAIN ($9.45 in chips)
BB: ($6.24 in chips)
MP: ($10.18 in chips)
CO: HERO ($12.93 in chips)
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to HERO [Ks Td]
MP: folds
HERO: raises $0.20 to $0.30
BU: folds
VILLAIN: calls $0.25
BB: folds
FLOP [Qs 4h Th] POT: $0.70
VILLAIN: bets $0.33
HERO: calls $0.33
TURN [Qs 4h Th] [2h] POT: $1.33
VILLAIN: bets $0.80
HERO: calls $0.80
RIVER * [Qs 4h Th 2h] [Ah] POT: $2.93
VILLAIN: bets $1.90
HERO: ?
Unknown villain. Population read is donk bets to me scream mid pair/low pair hands with a scary card on the board (the Q here). I call down 2 streets planning to reassess on the third. Any heart gets there so that brought me to the fold, but I think if the 4th heart doesn't land I call. I know SB going to defend a lot of broadways in his range so he has a lot of Qx, but donks from this population at these stakes are holding a T more often than not and I outkick a lot of Tx villain shows up with. Im probably too fixated on this donk bet=mid pair philosophy. Where, if anywhere, should I have found the fold button?
Sept. 2, 2020 | 2:26 p.m.
as far as balance goes, half pot works well for both your value c-bets and light c-bets. It gives you a good amount of RFE when c-betting light and half pot on each street is usually good enough to gets stacks in when going for value on wet boards.
Aug. 28, 2020 | 2:09 p.m.
In 3-bet pots I typically like to go right around half sizing for balance reasons since stacks are usually in by the river in 3-bet pots so sizing doesn't have as much of an impact than in single raised pots.
Aug. 28, 2020 | 2:01 p.m.
This is a tough spot but I have to agree with RaoulFlush and have to call this turn and probably most rivers. Given his aggression he could be playing his draws like this and also could be playing a lot of worse Kx this way. The only hand he shows up with for value is a set of 9s, and given theres only 6 combos to all the combos of Kx and draws he would play here you gotta call and hope for a brick on the river.
Aug. 26, 2020 | 1:45 p.m.
definitely get back to us on this
Aug. 25, 2020 | 11:02 p.m.
Brett Banks I see where youre coming from. I also agree with Mudkip that it doesn't matter as long as your ranges are constructed appropriately to size. The strategy I outlined also helps keep me disciplined by eliminating some "good looking" hands from my UTG opening range since I dont want to invest 4BB on what is a weaker hand in reality. Like while I would definitely open 56s for 2.5BB from the button, I dont want to open that hand for 4BB from UTG.
Also, by raising larger in earlier position, I grab some fold equity and find myself heads up more often rather than multiway, which Im far more comfortable playing heads up, especially OOP.
And to your point that under those guidelines the SB should have the tightest range, Peter Clark does outline a "3-bet or fold" strategy from the SB so it does end up being our tightest range.
Aug. 25, 2020 | 1:37 p.m.
Straight from the Grinder's Manual...3.5-4BB UTG, 3 from MP/CO, 2.5 from BT, 2 from SB. The idea is you are opening much stronger ranges from UTG compared to BT, and therefore can begin to build larger pots. Also, since your playing OOP, you will realize more fold equity when sizing up earlier. Peter Clark explains that this has an effect on your long run EV. Ive used this and have become quite comfortable with it and although in a vacuum it is extremely small added EV, I think it has built up noticeably for me in the long run.
Aug. 24, 2020 | 1:45 p.m.
Not sure about your stakes, but at the $10/$30 stakes i mostly play at nobody ever folds a flush, so you probably wont be able to get him off it, even holding Ac. He is going to be defending more suited combos than you will be raising with, so he shows up with more flushes than you will. And, their are a lot of club draws that will show up at the river here as played. In fact I would think a large majority of his 2-street calling range here is flush draws. If the last club didn't hit you could certainly think about triple barreling but defending range BB v. SB has a lot of suited combos so always need to watch out for the flush.
Aug. 23, 2020 | 2:02 p.m.
I personally would check/call the flop too...hits his range much harder than it hits your UTG open range. Turn is tough now given the size but given his aggression so far I think he would pay you off if the flush hits. River you have to fold, pair of queens just isn't good enough here going up against a lot of combos of straights, two pair, and sets. Cant imagine he shows up to the river here with anything worse than two pair, and plenty of J combos in his range to make a straight.
Aug. 22, 2020 | 2:50 p.m.
so when are you folding?
Aug. 22, 2020 | 2:14 p.m.
PokerStars Hand #217218077344: Hold'em No Limit ($0.15/$0.30 USD)
MP: ($30.86 in chips)
CO: ($34.73 in chips)
BU: HERO ($37.44 in chips)
SB: VILLAIN ($27.24 in chips)
BB: ($33.87 in chips)
UTG: ] ($26.37 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.15
BB posts big blind $0.30
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to HERO [Jd Kc]
UTG: folds
MP: folds
CO: folds
BU: raises $0.45 to $0.75
SB: folds
VILAIN: calls $0.45
FLOP [Ks Js 5s]
VILLAIN: bets $1.57
HERO: calls $1.57
TURN [Ks Js 5s] [4c]
VILLAIN: bets $4.55
HERO: calls $4.55
RIVER [Ks Js 5s 4c] [8c]
VILLAIN: bets $13.20
HERO: calls $13.20
SHOW DOWN *
VILLAIN: shows [5d 5h] (three of a kind, Fives)
HERO: mucks hand
VILLAIN collected $38.29 from pot
I am always super uncomfortable facing donk bets, especially on a wet board like this. I discounted any flush combos since he would probably check to me to keep my bluffs in play, and is charging the draw. Only 6 combos of pocket 5s let that beat me, and he probably 3-bets Js and Ks. So ive got to make the crying calls all the way down? Is a raise warranted at some point?
Aug. 21, 2020 | 7:16 p.m.
I thought the T hit my range harder. Broadways are a large part of my flatting range from the button facing a UTG raise, so now I have a decent amount of 2pair and straight/straight draw combos. Thought he would back off on the river, and when he didn't I thought it was a pretty easy fold.
Aug. 21, 2020 | 4:44 p.m.
PokerStars Hand #217212509154: Hold'em No Limit ($0.15/$0.30 USD)
CO ($14.56 in chips)
BT: HERO ($34.97 in chips)
SB ($46.88 in chips)
BB ($30.66 in chips)
UTG: VILLAIN ($48.38 in chips)
MP ($83.32 in chips)
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to cfesta23 [Qs Ks]
VILLAIN: raises $0.35 to $0.65
MP: folds
CO: folds
HERO: calls $0.65
SB: folds
BB: folds
FLOP [5c Kd Ad] Pot: $1.75
VILLAIN: bets $0.55
HERO: calls $0.55
TURN [5c Kd Ad] [Th] Pot: $2.85
VILLAIN: bets $2.03
HERO: calls $2.03
RIVER * [5c Kd Ad Th] [4h] Pot: $6.91
VILLAIN: bets $4.92
HERO folds?
Is this too soft a fold? I think against an unknown villain triple barrels with an Ace or complete air, and given villain is unknown im not sure how often he shows up with air so I just laid it down. Would a raise on the flop or turn have been a good play?
Aug. 21, 2020 | 2:44 p.m.
what would be required for a good check/raise as a bluff/semi bluff
Aug. 20, 2020 | 5:51 p.m.
Last session I tried to work on getting more comfortable with a new skill (namely x/r flop and turn) but ended up completely blowing myself up. Is there a better way to practice getting comfortable with different lines of play before just trying them out on the table and imploding? Thanks.
thank you, great analysis. He ended up having a set of 8s. i ended up calling and lost the rest of my stack shortly after.
Nov. 26, 2021 | 4:40 p.m.