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This is alot of bang for the buck. Can only say thank you James and best of luck to you!

Definitely keep doing more of these if you have more. They are pure gold Phil. <3

Always keep the HU-table in my opinion. Video slows down really quick when theres only tourney+regular cg tbls. Liking this ALOT except that!

Really interesting video actually. loved it!

We all wanna see these sort of series. Give us all u got Phil :) gg wp

When you record live why dont u rightclick on the tables and make one green, one red, one blue and one black? :)

I thought no one in the whole world could make FL interesting for me. But you sir, you made it possible. Very impressed, solid.

Please keep doing more of these parts, it's very good Phil :)

BTN A853ds at 30:00.

Could click3betting the UTG here be a cool option? As somekind of isolation and still not giving a good price to sb/bb. And it's really awkward for anyone to 4b you given the SPR. Your hand plays "decent" IP, even multiway.

I have seen a couple of topguys do this, but I'm not sure about the success they've had with it.
It seems a little silly but I love experimenting outside-the-box.

I'm depressed.

They are not Bad Players, they are Fun Players :)

Very solid, like the pace too. Good job sir :)

Love this format, keep doing one or two more of these please :)

Thanks for making a lot of very good videos Phil, and happy birthday!

Yes of course, I hear you haha :) but I wasn't saying you didn't. I just laid out a couple of points against these kind of unusual bluffs.

I do however agree with you that it's very complicated to figure out levelling wars, and it's probably a good idea to instead just try to stay balanced alot of the time. But there are also situations that are exceptions. And I think this one is a prime candidate :)

You can't really get enough of a sample for these spots vs players, to really get a solid idea which ones are capable of folding some of their quads or how often they really c/r overbetbluffs. Such a F-ing infrequent situation. And how do you even know that you bluffed someone of his quads? And how do you know you got c/r overbetbluffed if you folded?

And it also depends on the state of mind on the player that is going to fold some of his quadscombos to make your blockerbluff +ev. And you can't be sure of that either. You just can't. Maybe he is stuck ten buy ins and still "tilt-clicks-call" with a quadscombo that should have been a fold in the analyze he did two years ago, or because he is arguing with his girlfriend on the phone at the same time etc etc. So that is always going to be a concern for 1nv0ker. Because we are humans, and we all act irrationally sometimes, and it's totally unpredictable.

And maybe you get to this spot with the 7d blocker in 1nv0kers spot and you know everything about this spot, totally mapped it out a long time ago. But, the player on the other side is someone you have alot of sick-riverbluffs-history with, so are you now really going to stick with your plan even if you know you are completely balanced on this exact board? Your opponent certainly has no clue that you are completely balanced here. Gameflow and opponent-history is actually a concern. It exists and it plays a big part.

I couldn't agree more with the whole human-nature-thing Zach talked about. It is very very important to understand human psychology. Rebluffing vs a computer here with the 7d-blocker wouldn't be mentally hard at all, but doing it vs a human is a totally different thing. It's not even comparable when you start to look at the amount of new factors that suddenly starts to play a role as soon as you add the human element.

1) The result in the particular hand doesn't matter at all, totally agree.

2) And the process matters the most, agree there too. But why pick one of the most infrequent flop-textures to do it on, when you actually could add a little more content with so many other common spots.

3) It's very easy to use that as an argument because I can't really say you are wrong either. But then you could justify anything scientifc work with that. I could walk out in the snow and start digging with my bare hands until someone comes up to me and asks "Isn't it better you use a shovel?". And then I just reply "Sometimes, things that aren't immediately obv...".
I am not saying you are wrong, but it's very difficult to have a skeptical opinion about anything scientific if you use the penicillin story all the time. Because that just removes critical thinking too,

I do think it's important to really be able to ask "Was 88896 board a good choice to breakdown?" without getting slapped. And I know most people will say "who cares about the board? ". Now would an 8888K board be equally informative to breakdown? At least I don't think so. So I do think there is a correlation, and a more common useful spot would be more interesting for me, and give me more. That's all.

4) Yes true, but then again, if I do think there can be improvements I should share it because I don't think he just analyzed it for fun. Getting Sauce-videos are very precious. The breakdown of ranges are still great, everyone could learn from it, but I think the priority is wrong, just my humble opinion. I certainly did learn things in this video, it took me forward. But breaking down this texture in a two parter? I don't know.

I'm done, now everyone can crucify me :(

Cheers apo:)

Okey I deserved to be "outed" for attacking an informative post with a trolly comment. My apologies to JolNrbs. But, it's an incredibly rare spot, feels like overkill-solving to dive into a long analyze about quads vs str8flush/blockerbluff in holdém.

If you programmed a bot, and I did the same. And our bots would be playing one million hands every second against each other, then of course this spot becomes huge for you if I didn't bother about this spot so much. And I think that's why you feel this spot is interesting.

But we are only humans and the edge you gather from solving this spot is going to be so minimal that it just can't be worth the effort when you compare it to the edge you would gain from discussing/solving much more common spots. Most of us won't even get quads vs str8 flush/or-a-7d-blocker-bluff more than maybe 10-15 times in a career.

It's a fun hand, but I think a genius like you finds almost every hand interesting. You see a puzzle and an edge to be had and I admire that drive and philosophy, we all do. But I don't like too see you spend a whole video about this spot.

I am having the feeling as if I have just seen an astronomer releasing a video of him solving how often a black hole would come to our solarsystem. It's somewhat useful and impressive but it really doesn't help us all that much and I would rather have seen him solving and releasing a video of how often we would get hit by an asteroid, because I find that much more important and closer. I hope that made any kind of sense.

Why do you waste your/our time analyzing a quads vs str8 flush hand in holdém? Haha I mean, come on man...Cut sauce some slack. It was the most uninteresting hand in the whole video. We all know it's realistically a fold "in practice". We all know no one has ever rebluffed there without having a str8flush, but who cares?

Top 5 best video I have seen at RIO. You aren't really spoiled with too many "wow-moments" nowadays in pokervideos, but this one was just filled with it. Thank you so much Jens. And thanks to Galfond and all the other people involved with the site.

If Sauce would have had AAT9, would u like a flopcheck in his spot?
Nearly impossible to induce anything in this spot though.
I don't know Sauces range here but I would guess nothing he has here would c/f flop so a flopcheck is probably worthless?

Blocking 50% of the KJ combos and not blocking the king of spades feels like "hitting two birds with one stone" (as Phil likes to say). You do however also block his blocker-bluffs haha But if Phil pretty much can't have KJxx by calling the turn then I think he has to choose a hand like this to call the river with?

The sad thing about the 9 river is that J8xx can obviously valueshove all day long. Very Hard to have J8xx that got there though, so probably not a big concern after all. I'll let the experts take over this discussion but for now I'm on Phils side with the call.

/New to PLO ;P

Loved it, thanks Phil :)

This can't be a x/f, it just can't. Not vs the player you describe. The only way it could be a fold is if it's an explofold vs some nits that haven't made a 3barrelbluff their whole life.

General rule of thumb is not to try bluffing people of flopped str8s, especially if they usually play higher stakes. :)

I understand your idea with it but why don't you call turn and if you don't boat up you could overshove the river or something. That's much better, gives you more fold-equity on the river.

Was thinking the exact same thing. If it's incredibly hard to have a bluff then I don't like the 70-80k bet. 35-40k bet must be better.

that should pretty much never happen, but if his donkbet-range is balanced then QT is obv a fold

Loved it, as always.

Can never be good unless you have the sickest spass-read ever, maybe phil missclicked/missreaded his hand?

I was wondering about this too, although not sure about c/r turn so much.