Dr. Whale

Yeah, I typically fold preflop but have been trying to increase the number of hands I play on the button.

My thought process for bluff catching was along the same lines, like no one plays the hand this way for value (maybe 22, but that's like it). It just seemed fishy. Once I'm counter-fitted on the river I lose to like every combo of AX and I do block some of his bluffing range for the missed flush draw.

Would you fold on the turn? I thought it was too exploitative to fold two pair there.

If you assign the guy a 28% opening range, your three of a kind is good on the river 77% of the time. If you're not betting three of a kind on the river for value, what are you betting? The flush draw didn't get there (I know you have blockers) and he'd have to be betting into three opponents with nothing but a gut shot if he had a straight.That'd be a pretty big leak if he's doing that. If he has a boat wouldn't his sizing on the flop or the turn be larger than 60% of the pot?

The only thing that makes me second guess this is that people rarely bluff the river in live play. Then again, Hero limped out of the blind and checked on every street. Why wouldn't he think hero is weak and bluff at it.

I still don't know how you're defending with a weak King and three opponents acting after you. There have to be better spots to pick than that.

Idk, maybe I'm just married to trips- What did your analysis look like for the river call - what range/combos did you assign him?

Also like a check raise on the turn. Depends on game play and how you think you can extract the most value from villan.

You have to be betting the river there. You just lose way too much value by not betting. I think defending pre-flop is a mistake as well. Don't mind the flop and turn play.

Villans line doesn't make sense to me. Would he be limping with AJ or a pocket pair pre-flop and then put a pussy bet out there into multiple opponents with a set or a gut shot on the flop? Like a weak pair-type hand that picked up an open ended draw on the turn is the only thing I can think of that would play the hand this way, something like J-10. Like the only reason for him to play a set like that on the flop would be if he's trying to induce and I just think you can't be scared here.

Not sure what your history is aside from the TAG image, but generally pre flop, I like a min. raise on the 4-bet to induce more action. If villain isn't capable of 3-betting light and you min. raise, he's likely to come over the top. I think it's a better play/more convincing when you're in position, but still, people hardly ever sniff it out.

I agree with that last.

Also, as you originally posted - I'd be on board with folding pre-flop as well. If he plays that tight, even though you have the implied odds to profitably set mine, the condition assumes he's willing to get it all in, which he probably wouldn't do. Given you can read the guy really well post flop though, I don't mind the call. I'd lean more towards folding, but I play very tight.

I agree with dococ. Think it's fine to call. The min check raise on the flop and then checking the turn doesn't scream strength. He might just be trying to get value from a set and figured he couldn't get three streets from you, but you don't have any blockers to the flush draw...I think he has a lot of bluffs in his range. Would be strange to min raise with a set. Seems like a good bluff catching hand to me.

How did it play out?

I don't mind folding here. I think bet - fold the river is optimal though. Think you're losing too much value by not betting this river. None of his draws got there and he never raised you.

I think a shove is fine. He could definitely have an over pair, he also could have flopped a better set than you, but given his sizing on the turn, I'd actually put him on something like AQ of spades. I think he would've bet larger with an overpair to try to push you off a flush draw and probably would've gone something like 3/4 pot with a better set. I think you're correct by shoving here, especially with the read that he over folds frequently.

Yeah, agree with bronxsystem - which side track like the activity he has on these forums.

I think the river is a call. By jamming the river, you're almost never getting called by worse. Live players at these stakes hardly ever bet river without a hand (same goes for when they check raise the turn). Key being live and at these stakes - which is what I typically play.

On the turn I think your opponent shut down with the flush draw and an unmade hand. I'd bet 2/3 pot. Betting partially for protection against the straight and flush draw and partially for value as your hand is good against most opponets - people who like to float or who think they're good with top top. I think if villain had a set he would have bet the turn, and he has no business calling preflop with a two pair hand. Live 1/2 players tend to float like crazy.

I like the flop bet, but probably would have gone higher.

I tend to agree with others on raising more preflop - like 30-35.