Bink182
3 points
Maybe I'm a nit but I'd just call river. With both the flush and the straight coming in on the river and how you played your hand like a draw I can't see a villain who we perceive to be an elite opponent paying you off here even with a set. Would you ever bluff raise a pair or 2p in this spot? If we raise and get called I think we're almost always beat and if he 3 bets OTR we're slamming our head against the keyboard.
Feb. 21, 2014 | 8:52 a.m.
As played I thought this was a pretty standard call down. He could just be barreling Kx and think , or he can have complete air, and think the K is a good bluff card.
Feb. 20, 2014 | 11:44 a.m.
When I first read the hand, I could see maybe trying to get in a thin value bet here. Going for value from worse Qx and TT,JJ. But I think Toothpaste and PaN1C are correct. It's probably not a huge error to try and value bet this river but there really aren't that many hands competent villians will pay u off with in this spot. As played I'm definitely folding to his river jam.
Feb. 13, 2014 | 11:50 p.m.
Thank you very much for the hand converter! I'll comment about the hand later for now I don't want to influence opinions.
Feb. 12, 2014 | 3:58 a.m.
I'm on bovada and can only enter hands manually so I'll try to summarize w/o leaving out important info.
full 6 max game
Hero (SB): 113.95
Villain (UTG+1): 52.50
Preflop: Hero is dealt AsKs
UTG folds, Villain calls .50, folds to hero, Hero raises to 2.00, BB folds, Villain calls 1.50
Flop: 9dKd2d Pot: 4.28
Hero bets 2.50, Villain calls 2.50
Turn: 8s Pot: 9.02
Hero bets 5.50, Villain raises to 16
Villain had only been at the table an orbit or two so I had no reads and no stats. I'm new to posting and I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.
Feb. 12, 2014 | 12:44 a.m.
I would also like to point out that even if players turning hands into bluffs at these stakes may not be common. How smart do you have to be to get to this river with 9 high and realize raising is the only way for you to win. If it is a bluff, it's a bad bluff, because he dosnt rep much IMO, and that's something I would expect out of a 10nl player.
Feb. 11, 2014 | 9:47 a.m.
You are probably right Piper. I play 50nl and 100nl also on Bovada, so I'm used to a little more of a thinking player. The only reason I would consider making the crying call here is because it's very hard for me to find much of a value range for V besides a BD flush IMO. He can have some slow played hands but not too many IMO considering lots of Vs would 3bet TT+ from the blinds, and would just fold J9o and Q10o from SB. Some might have Q10o in there calling range there but I don't think they should and the majority probably won't. Plus, as I've said our Q is blocking a ton of his value combos. I think his most likely value hands are 88 or a hand like KcJc. Maybe giving him credit for one of those and folding is the best play, I would like to hear what other people have to say about it.
Feb. 11, 2014 | 9:09 a.m.
I'm with toothpaste on this one and I honestly thought it was a fold before I saw the results. I love over betting with a boat here in Vs shoes. Hero is going to have Ax a lot and is going to have to be a disciplined player to lay it down. If it's a bluff I say NH sir, but I don't think it usually is. I think he was probably praying you had an ace and was quite happy when u called his huge over bet. I think unknown V has a boat here almost 100%
Feb. 11, 2014 | 7:34 a.m.
I'm a new poster to these forums so please forgive me if my logic is flawed. This is a very close spot I think. However IMO I would have to lean towards calling here against an unknown V. Hearts missed straight draws missed, the only thing that we really lose to is Q10 and QQ, he probably 3bets QQ pre and we block both of those hands. He can also have slowplayed J9 or 88 which both may not raise river for value, fearing BD flush. I think we are beat here a lot, but he has missed draws here too much to fold. Maybe I'm giving 10nl players too much credit to turn hands into bluffs and I'm a huge station lol feel free to let me know. Also I think rare V can have KQ here and be value cutting himself.
Feb. 11, 2014 | 7:04 a.m.
Phil Ivey got knocked out of the WSOP main event flopping set over set. Sets are hard to come by, I wouldn't make a habit of folding them. You can't win every hand anyways and if someone has a bigger set chalk it up as a cooler and be on your way IMO. (On dry boards of course, not including like 9TJ all spades or something else ridiculous.)
Feb. 10, 2014 | 8:15 a.m.
Not all those hands will necessarily 3b preflop, and I think most except KJ wouldn't continue on the turn. He's repping a super strong hand, when he bets almost pot ott with about half his stack behind I don't think he's ever folding. It's a nitty fold for sure but I think it's correct. You'd need some kind of previous read on villian to call. Maybe he is a maniac and it's a bad fold but I'd prefer to have that read before putting a buy-in in the middle.
Feb. 8, 2014 | 11:33 p.m.
I agree what Kx does hero have on the river here? If I had TT-QQ I'd have trouble folding, def not a snap call but he called down to the river w KT KJ KQ? doubt it. It seems to me that he's only folding a 7 or a 9 which IMO is too thin.
I like your flat pre, you have position and you don't want to get 150bbs in with AKo. I would just fold to his cbet tho. You are correct about the flop hitting your range better than his, but he 3bet your UTG+1 open so he has lots of big pairs in his range, and you have no BD outs or much equity at all besides over cards. I think you probably bluffed out JJ,QQ,KK,AA and had a very good run out to do so, but lots of micro stakes players, even 100nl players have a tough time folding over pairs. Also I would be shoving probably a straight or better here for value. I don't think you need a boat to value shove this river imo. Vs hand is pretty face up and you wanna punish players who don't have a fold button.
Feb. 26, 2014 | 10:55 p.m.