Aaron Sonneveld

All i can say is look the turn BB can easely have a 5 river is a brick you lose i'm just saying that especially in a 3 way pot, you should bet here

Well if your opponent is aware of icm and thinks that you like to steal from sb then he can put icm pressure on you. And just like what icm is saying.. you have to fold this hand after he shoves. So instead letting him putting pressure on you, you must put pressure on him so that he has to fold due ICM ( what he understands according to your information). So the best option here is to shove imo. If he understands icm very well then he will ( most likely) folding the hands that he is shoving here. Instead raise folding here ( what is best after raising) you should stick it in here imo.

He is agro, understands icm, has prob a hud wich will say you open more in later positions etc. All this together you should stick it in. His shoving range is not the range that will beat you in most situations at all. k10 qj prob etc. And given that you still have to fold after rasing instead of shoving. Crazy isn't. Make it easy and stick it in

impossible to answer this indeed. Positions? Stacksizes etc?

Not c-betting here in this situation is a huge mistake imo and is an indication that you really need to work on your game. AA is the nuts pre but checking here is like saying please guys improve your hand and bust me i don't want the chips.

I can't imagen folding 85s from CO here later stage 3.30+R can you please explain why i should fold here

85s we have a good stack from CO happy to see a flop mostly IP i mean....?

1 dollar or lower mtt's but micro mtt's have a big field on average so you may consider playing reg speed sng's with AN AVERAGE buy in of 1$ due lower varience gl

This is a correct shove my friend. These are the reasons why:

1. You have a little bit more then 12bb (shortstacked).*
   This is a shove even with 14bb .

2. 88 Is a strong hand*
   I would not shove here like 22,33,44,55 or even 66
   77+*
   I think it is 66+ even due ICM. You are the shortstack so you need chips fast and even 66 is probably correct to shove with this stack size

88 In this situation is an easy decision imo just UL if you loosed.

Put it in ICMIZER (Buy it if you don't have it) and you will see exactly what hands you should shove.

Aq looks like a nice hand but since a shorty opens and BTN shoves for that much you have to consider ICM here. Best case scenario you are flipping and since a small stack already opened i think this is a fold but it is right in the border and i wil have a really hard time with this one to. BTN does not seem like a maniac at all. So like i said best case scenario you are flipping and you can bust 3ways all in with a shortie. If the situation was btn opens you 3-bet and he shoves... even though there is a shortie you already invested a big portion of your stack so then you have to go with it. But here with a change that the shortie busts and you can earn more money with just folding this hand.... man it's really close but tbh i don't know if i can fold here

Hey man

Sorry for the late response. Wasn't online before.

First of all thank you for your in dept reply. I really love to talk and response in the same way so ye let's continue.

1) I thought about that after the hand and i agree with you. He will call any suited connector/1 gapper actually almost any high card with random kicker so probably like 70%/75%? But i ain't a ICMIZER pro to but what I do know is that even with j2 here we had 33% equity pre. Now if we look at our hand the j2o it does not well but better then i thought.

2) There is indeed no icm pressure involved here at all. However, if we take other things in consideration: 1. It is a turbo. So this was also a factor that played big role in my shoving decision. In a reg speed i know that I would fold. There are some other hands to choose from but bigger antes will get involved like 2/3 hands after this one. So with that in mind i think about the 33% i have here in the turbo blind vs blind vs alot of hands he will call with. The pot is 1/4th of my stack that's huge. Now i am not good in calculating this stuff but i understand ICMIZER with shoving like 78%. There is a change he would fold and i pick up 1 4th of my stack and if i do get called my equity is 33%. So even though I like folding a bit more, it's actually very close. K2o i would shove that's for sure...

3) Agree but blinds were about to go up . Now if we wait lets say 3 hands then my stack is shallower and my shove need to go through more people so changes i get called multi way with a smaller stack lets say 160k is huge because of the two big stacks on my left. So blind vs blind i think it is really close because there will not be a huge difference in what is more profitable between shoving like j2/q2 blind vs blind get called with 33%equity and a change my shove gets through and waiting for a hand shoving like 160k in 2 big stacks. And maybe i don't get a hand and i am priced in when i have the BB with a crappy hand. So again it is so close.

It does not seem like a super interesting spot but thinking about not shoving here and wait for a better hand shoving with even less into 2 big stacks and with a change i don;t even get a hand...... man interesting

4) Totally agree. I was not happy at all and posted it here to see the reactions. However it is very close. Like very very close. The payout jumps are huge in between there so the more important this spot is and sorry but i say it again after looking at the options: Very Close :O

Again thanks for your reply hope to hear from you soon

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Tip. work with an average buy in at some lower buy ins so you can add higher buyins so that your average buy in is still around 20 or maybe better even 30 with your roll. Average buy ins allows you to take shots but with less varience as you like to play with profit higher buyins. You can play higher buyins aslong you even it out with lower ones. Also play more sattelites. Gl

Easy fold lol? It is a turbo the pot has 18750 in antes plus the 37.5k blind and i have 200k chips that plus i am the short stack and this is blind vs blind. This is actually very close so please study more with icmizer

callculated with icmizer it's just under ev -0.01 BB Icmizer says q2o+ shove

I don´t like to call here personaly. His 17bb all in is to much in my opinion. He thinks that you are more likely to call wider then the average person with mr and even a shove. This shove feels very strong to me. His sample size is small though...Mathematical speaking it's probably a profitable call, but if i analyize this then i get a feeling that this guy has a strong hand in some kind of way. You can go both ways here actually, folding or calling are both not very bad here in my opinion. But since his shove is so big..... An 10bb shove was an easy call obviously but i would fold here. Well played.

Hey man,

May i ask why you mr when blinds are 10/20. Is that to reduce varience b4 blinds go up? AQ is not a hand that you wanna play multiway ofc but it is the early stage so you no need to make agressive plays i guess?

Jesse91
Interesting, I put the same post on a pocket fives thread and it had a very different response http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/late-4-50-180-player-sng-qk-699861/#post8066598

Yes indeed but you need to understand that you have to call when you open UTG with those shorties. You also need to understand that you should fold UTG when there are shoving stacks and you don't know for sure how to react when they make a move. Cause if they play the hand they will shove. So next time evaluate the situation before you make a dissicion.
kqo vs 2 shovers is not a big favorite. vs the player 2 shove you will have +EV for sure. But since player 4 is reshoving here even when he has 10bb you can expect that your hand probably is dominated in some kind of way. kqo 3handed all in is not the best spot to be in. But since you already raised you have to call. I personaly would fold pre.

I see some comments saying that he is a reg. If this guy realy was a reg then he would represent the A obviously because it's more likely for him to have an A by the way the hand was played pre-flop. Double barreling is the correct play for the opener. That said, I think he was on a spade draw or a lower pair but a lower pair seems unlickley here. Well played

• were does he live? (drunk/tilt/type of person)
• Some people here say that he wouldn't do that with AA/KK, well i disagree with that.

This happend to me a few times to. When a player opens UTG then his range is very strong so if UTG+1 has JJ+ he knows that you wouldn't fold a shove most of the time. Every fish knows that an UTG open is strength and that he want's to play a pot. And that it is very tempting for you to call the shove and he knows that. So the hands he has will be JJ/QQ/KK/AA. You are dominated. Easy fold, but good question!

I've watched alot of math video's on youtube about fold equity/EV etc, but this one is so sick. When a math explenation is a bit to hard for me to follow (cause i am a bit tired now) that means that this is high quality information. I will get some sleep now and watch the explenation again with some coffee !.I Will take notes and practice the next few weeks untill i can dream this. Very nice John and I can't wait for your next video. Keep it up!