Ignition Zone Live: Disobeying Pio for Profit
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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When you got ck/raised with top set KK on KJXhh, I totally understand your sentiment of "clicking back will probably net me more vs this player type"
Nick Howard had a video or series on following meta and exploits and changing from what you've learned or estimated equilibrium to be when you expect someone to be going way too far in a certain direction. I think he got ck raised with trips on a paired flop, and he said the same thing. Basically, if they're opening themselves up to getting punched with their nose out, they're likely to still have that mindset if you reopen their decision making into a part of the tree that doesn't exist at equilibrium. Flop 3bet with crappy trips and he stacked off vs highcards or a gutshot. Calling would be standard vs a pro because it's equilibrium, but if the villain is saying fuck it by going that far out, give them the ability to do it again.
I'm confused why you got ck/raise/fold vs a clickback though. You must be right that he has a 2nd pair type hand and is taking the risk averse move. Flop 3bet with a single heart is likely to be profitable in that spot, which is very interesting to me. Like you can 3bet/fold with the bare Th and snap profit.
LOL a few hands later. Defend bvb 42o, ck back KJ8ss bomb 130% Jx I love it. There's the first time I KNOW Pio isn't suggesting that. Maybe it would if you nodelocked their strat to being too passive.
afterwards 12minute Q4o 1st table sb/bb on AcKd7c Th. Overbet is good, but it isn't too wide to be overbetting every Q,Jx? Q4 no backdoor blockers seems like decent combo to give up frequently on the turn (and we can bet FD, fraction of those Q/J gutshot type of hands)
Question is, which one you would prefer to bet and why? or Pile bet with everything and give up super often on the river because people fold too much?
Haha, I might have been playing a bit to aggressively this session. A comment later in this thread says "I'm a red-line coach", which is a new experience for me. People usually call me a nit :).
Jeff_
This wasn't my finest session. I think the Q4o hand is spewy. I do have some combos of QJ, but this board texture crushes OOP, so I should only have maybe 16 combos of bluffs and betting Q4o type hands here gives me a 130 combos of bluffs. Better combos to pick would be Qc3o-Qc8o.
why can you bluff more effectively vs checks then vs bets?
1. Attention
People pay more attention to pots where they bet. If I'm playing live poker and my opponent is eating a sandwich, turned away from the table and talking to a friend, he will overfold, because he's distracted. When my opponent bets, he is the opposite of this. He's engaged in the hand, so I no longer get as many marginal folds.
2. My opponent has to change his mind.
When my opponent bets, he is betting because he believes he can either win the pot by bluffing or his hand is best. For me to win the pot, he needs to change his mind about those beliefs. Humans are lousy at changing their minds, so an average player is going to struggle to believe he can no longer win the pot.
Are there some theoretical reasons behind this too? I see pio using blocks on river frequently as well.
Seems like you can get away with some wild shit in these games as long as your stack is not giving you away.
Also I think doing a replay vs live play maybe nicer when you have to do a video over this horrendous software. It is hard to follow if you are not subjected to the torture of having to play on this site.
You make a lot of unique plays that I don't see often or ever in other videos but then is hard to follow your explanations because it is impossible to tell the pot size and bet size and the board is long gone and I'm guessing there is no replayer. At the same time I really do want to hear what you have to so its gets kind of frustrating. I guess the moral of this story is that you are selling your value short by having to rush your narrative and not have an ability to bring hands back up.
on the last paragraph, i didn't agree with your first sentence until i read your second sentence. it kind of sucks for players too lol.
Sometimes because of software instead of listening to Tyler, I'm figuring out positions/previous action/stack size(bet size)
Hi Simrud,
I completely agree with you. Pacing is the hardest part for me as a coach. I'm so immersed in poker that I find the little things as interesting as the big things, so when I talk about poker, one of my challenges is to bring out the interesting parts in enough detail without getting bogged down in why I folded K9s to a 3-bet.
I have hand reviews where I talk in great detail about most of these situations and liveplay videos, where the hands come too fast, but you get to see a full creative game. I haven't found the sweet spot yet between the two formats.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the honest feedback.
Hi Tyler nice vid!
We saw you fold hands like 98o and A2o when folded on the btn throughout the video and you mentioned that youre likely losing a few hundred bucks opening hands like 98o here over the course of the year.
How do you come to this conclusion? Is this just a sort of guestimation or is there some work we can do to help get an accurate approximation on whether or not these hands are losing/winning as an open. I assume highish rake is a big factor?
Thanks!
Hi Starney,
Great question!
I have a database with six millionish hands from Pokerstars where I opened 98o and A2o. There was a 97% chance that I was money loser with those hands, with higher rake I think it's unlikely the hands on Ignition are better than they were on Pokerstars.
it's always nice to have a red line coach on the site haha :P
honest assessment at the end of the video, I think you were spewing a bit and not really thinking through your decisions (but you realised this anyways.) however you still done some really cool plays and I always enjoy watching you play bvb with your all out aggression vs their passive lines haha.
I take it you are not playing any of SCOOP? cos if you were would be cool to watch you play some 500z and I will hop in as well haha.
Thanks for the compliments! This must have been more spewy than I realized, if you're calling me a redline coach :).
Not this year, it'd be fun to play with screennames again. Maybe WCOOP :)
haha well I am a red line player as well so I recognise one when I see one :P
is red line player code for people who are making a lot of money on nonshowdowns and losing on showdowns?
Yes, in Hold'em Manager non-showdown winnings was graphed with a red-line.
Tyler. I do love your live play videos but agree with the others that this software sucks and these videos can be hard to follow. Would like to see a hand review where the pace is slower and you go into detail.
Having said that, all your videos are gold, very easy dark like
Thanks man, I appreciate the love! The next couple of videos will be hand reviews. I'll never be able to get completely away from live-play, but will try to make the action easier to follow.
Definitely don’t want you to stop making live play videos!
classic tyler splashing around all over the place,.. love your playing style :D
Thanks Captain! It's a lot of fun to play too.
Dumb question here but this is kind of far above my average stake for cash. Why do you not just make it 15$? Doesn't that make it seem like we have more than a few tables going?
Hi paparookiec1
Excellent question!
Although 3x is easier in the software, it's actually substantially lower value than 2.5x because the max exploit counter strategy to 3x is played normally by most pros.
Oh I see. So it is a matter of ok I think they'll have 3x up and force them to adjust a bit ok.
Smashing buttons pretty hard.
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