Hello, Thank you very much for your kind message ^^
1/ The key point to build a 4bet range deep it´s to start counting value combos from the last hand you feel comfortable going all in with. For example, UTG vs MP 250bbs you dont want to go allin with AK - QQ so we can move those hands to our call3bet range. KK is borderline but it is the same as well, if you think you will never get call by hands like QQ or AK then you must move KK to the call3bet range. After these considerations we will have only AA to go all in UTG vs MP Deep, we only need to balance our 6 combos with some bluffs and our total 4bet range will be way smaller than our frequency with lower stacks or playing other positions.
2/ It depends, when you are playing tight range vs tight range you usually prefer to use hands like 76s or 65s because they have more equity to beat overpairs. Also we need to be careful about not bluffing to much otherwise we will lose our iniatiative advantage.
So why not adding AA into call 3b range and don't have 4b range at all let's say 250 bb UTG vs MP? For better balance? Or do you wanna still have 4b bluffs, so u have to 4b AA? Great first vid, welcome, man!
Justis: That´s a good question.
I studied those situations and it´s better to build a 4bet range only with AA + some randomized bluffs because you earn a lot more money by doing 4bets with AA compare to call3bets. You can call in situations where you dont need to make the pot bigger preflop in order to get all the money.
Welcome, Elias, and great first video! I'm really excited to continue watching what you produce and reading feedback from the community. I think your videos will spark ideas and perhaps inspire me and other coaches to become more creative with our own.
Welcome! Nice first video. Excited for more.
p.s - Your English is good enough. And I imagine it will improve as you continue to create more content in English. Cheers
Nice done Elías!
Just wondering, at @15:00 why you think he dont have many QQ and JJ?, I think that if he is raising here balanced that are the main value combos.
I think that at a bigger size bet from yours he should not be raising at all but with a smaller sizing I dont undersand why you think he is raising unbalanced here(only bluffs).
Thanks ^^ (I think you can ask me in spanish if you want)
Usually when you are playing a call4bet pot you are playing against a very strong range, as a 3betor you probably will do 5bet with some strong hands and your call4bet range will have mostly middle overpairs AQs AK etc, so when the 4betor goes all in postflop you are in a difficult situation everytime with a bluffcatcher. Sets are a small % of your range but they will be extremely helpful to protect your game on the river, that´s why the raise on the flop doesn´t makes sense, you dont need to have a raisecbet strategy on that board. Still people will raise but they usually are unbalance with a range composed by combodraws or flushdraws.
Qué bueno tenerte por aquí!:D
Mucha suerte en la nueva andadura, aquí por fin te tengo hablando sólo de poker.
Gl y espero que sean muchos videos para coserte a preguntas!
Questions:
in AA hand, if you bet 1k flop, overbet turn, which bluff combos would you prefer to use? Overall what will be your value and bluff range in: bet 1k/ turn overbet.
Thanks and nice to have you here.
I prefer to check most of the turns and create a bluffing range on the river because of that, you dont have many hands you can use as a bluff besides flushdraws, in today´s Poker metagame good players will easily fold on the turn their weak overpairs because they know that you dont have enough bluffs, that´s why I would delay the All in to the river. In other boards you can go All in with AK as a bluff blocking slowplays( AA, KK).
Congratulations Elias, very nice first video, te sigo desde tu primer video en youtube, es muy agradable tenerte en un foro en el que podamos apreciar tus conocimientos, saludos desde mexico
First of all, welcome! I enjoyed your video a lot.
Two questions about the second hand, which I find particularly interesting:
1) In an earlier comment you write: "The key point to build a 4bet range deep it´s to start counting value combos from the last hand you feel comfortable going all in with. For example, UTG vs MP 250bbs you dont want to go allin with AK - QQ so we can move those hands to our call3bet range." Your approach here seems different from that of Snowie, who utilizes a much wider 4-betting strategy here that includes AK and QQ. Do you think Snowie is wrong in its approach, or what do you see as its drawbacks?
2) Pio does some extraordinary things when I run your second hand (using the Snowie ranges), like fold KK on the QJ6hh to a small OOP bet (I guess because of blockers to AK and the lack of outs against your KK+ value range). Do you think people ever fold a hand that strong in practice? Do you think it is absurd? If not, do you think the reason you are arguing for a large bet on the flop with AA is to exploit people who have difficulty letting hands such as KK go on the flop?
1/ I studied these situations mostly using Pio preflop solver because snowie has limited sizings and sometimes they dont match the sizings people do. Also Snowie will move AK and QQ to call3bet if you do an OR and MP 3BET using the pot button (250bs both players) It follows the same logic but the information is more difficult to understand in order to create an strategy, if your 3bet sizings are small playing very deep Snowie will think your range is not polarize and then the best strategy it´s wider 4bet ranges.
2/ It´s a very bad spot with KK definetely, I didn´t check the board with Pio, I dont think people will fold KK easily on the turn but they might do it on the river if they are good players. The reason of a large bet on the flop its to get more money, you get similar calling ranges and folds by doing both sizings but if you bet 1k you will earn more money and you will have easier decisions on the turn and river as well.
what a refreshing type of video :)
phil give him a bigger contract - 7 videos a week please :)
didnt get bored once like i do with alot of other videos.
I think that bluff can work pretty well overall especially in low stakes against tight players, in higher stakes I would say people wont let you exploit their capped ranges so easily
Enjoyed this video a lot, and it's nice to see something a bit different from the usual 500z grind. In general I think videos where producers cherry pick interesting hands make for better content than just playing 500z and seeing what spots come up. So more along these lines would be good!
No issues understanding you, so don't worry about the language barrier. Gl at the tables! :)
Grande Elias! I don´t even play cash games, but when you mentioned you will be a coach to RIO, I immediately subscribed ;)
P.S. : From Spain with love <3
The graphs I showed in this video are 85% pokerstars and probably 65% Zoom500.
I didnt play much zoom500 this year. So I dont have the winrates unless I request hand histories and I wont do it now, I am busy as fuck xD (they were between 3 bigblinds to 4 bigblinds during 2014 2015 and 2016)
Great video, really enjoyed it and took several points away in just a few hands - looking forward to next videos
you mentioned you spent a lot of time studying early 2016? which you believe had a big impact, could you share your process? how do midstakes grinders make it to your level :)
I´ve been studying a lot last two years, early in 2016 the position I worked the most was Game Ip as pfr, that one was huge step up because I wasn´t playing it very well. It might be the most important sequence to study.
There isn´t an answer for your last question, each person must live the experience and overcome their problems in order to become good at poker and those problems might be unique. It´s hard and tough many times.
Hi, welcome !
For the QJ6b , it's funny because, you say i'm always betting and checking turn with anything but you think that raising QQ JJ doesn't make sens for him.
Given the board isn't totally static, i clearly don't mind raising. sets.
And i don't know, but on a spot where he has mostly JJ+ AKs and you have AK QQ+ , i feel like, we prob want also to check full range here even if we add some rarely JTs QJs AQs.
I'm so surprised that he didn't ship the turn with Th9h, that's NL2k , you try to rep a set and you give up with the best semi bluff, very surprising.
I wouldn´t expect highstakes players raising on the flop with Sets because they would have a lot of issues with all the other hands playing call. You would get me there but maybe I would push you to the limit in other situations and you would miss those sets protecting your range.
The board isn´t totally static but you dont need to raise in order to get all the value with your sets, that´s the bottom line of "when to do raise". If we are playing 800bbs deep, yes, the sets are Raise because we need to raise in order to get all the money.
I think he realised that his line didn´t makes sense and I would call, that´s why he didn´t go allin, but I agree, going allin on the turn seems probably better.
But should he really will 3bet-calls with other things than AKs TT-KK AQs AJs ?
It doesn't seem very easy to put that range under pressure where your main bluff is gonna be AK, and will block mostly the weak part of his range.
I think he might have some Q´xs and Jx´s or KK more often than sets on the river. On this hand he actually had T9s, anyway it is super difficult to estimate how wide or not is his range playing super deep. I would need about 55% fold river in order to make money after my potbet Cbet. I think it might be ok.
Seems very weird to me because if you expect to make him fold everything exept QQ JJ , and even if he calls some Qxs Jxs. It's very hards to get value with AA.
Did you try to PIO this hand ? I don't have it unfortunately.
I would say that he checks full range on this flop.
Seems also weird to have a lot of Qxs Jxs in those position. (especially when you hold AK)
This video was great! Really loved how much of your personality shows with talking into the camera and the eye contact. Music was a nice touch too. Looking forward to working through the rest of your videos
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Welcome long time vlog follower here :)
Really great add to the RIO coaches. I have to say its really notable the difference between the first vlog and the lastest videos. Congrats
I really enjoy the video but I have a couple of questions:
@15:00 AA How much change your 4b range UTG vrs MP 500bb deep? and MP vrs BTN 500bb deep? really interesting bet 1k on the flop in your analysis.
@15:00 109s don't you think is fine to have this kind of hands in a low freq for board coverage purposes 250bb+ deep?
It would be really cool if you can make a video in the way you approach studying for HS.
Your English was fine, im not English native speaker and I understood everything.
Welcome again and un saludo hasta Japon!
Hello, Thank you very much for your kind message ^^
1/ The key point to build a 4bet range deep it´s to start counting value combos from the last hand you feel comfortable going all in with. For example, UTG vs MP 250bbs you dont want to go allin with AK - QQ so we can move those hands to our call3bet range. KK is borderline but it is the same as well, if you think you will never get call by hands like QQ or AK then you must move KK to the call3bet range. After these considerations we will have only AA to go all in UTG vs MP Deep, we only need to balance our 6 combos with some bluffs and our total 4bet range will be way smaller than our frequency with lower stacks or playing other positions.
2/ It depends, when you are playing tight range vs tight range you usually prefer to use hands like 76s or 65s because they have more equity to beat overpairs. Also we need to be careful about not bluffing to much otherwise we will lose our iniatiative advantage.
Justis: That´s a good question.
I studied those situations and it´s better to build a 4bet range only with AA + some randomized bluffs because you earn a lot more money by doing 4bets with AA compare to call3bets. You can call in situations where you dont need to make the pot bigger preflop in order to get all the money.
Great video! Thank you and welcome!
Welcome, Elias, and great first video! I'm really excited to continue watching what you produce and reading feedback from the community. I think your videos will spark ideas and perhaps inspire me and other coaches to become more creative with our own.
Thank you Phil! I appreciate a lot your compliment. I will work hard to make the best content I can for Rio ^^
very nice and interesting.
Really enjoyed the format of this video, made the video a lot more fun to watch! Your English was good. Good analysis! Would love more of this!!
Welcome! Nice first video. Excited for more.
p.s - Your English is good enough. And I imagine it will improve as you continue to create more content in English. Cheers
Thanks, but dont pay too much attention otherwise I will feel uncomfortable battling with you haha
welcome mate!
Nice done Elías!
Just wondering, at @15:00 why you think he dont have many QQ and JJ?, I think that if he is raising here balanced that are the main value combos.
I think that at a bigger size bet from yours he should not be raising at all but with a smaller sizing I dont undersand why you think he is raising unbalanced here(only bluffs).
Thanks ^^ (I think you can ask me in spanish if you want)
Usually when you are playing a call4bet pot you are playing against a very strong range, as a 3betor you probably will do 5bet with some strong hands and your call4bet range will have mostly middle overpairs AQs AK etc, so when the 4betor goes all in postflop you are in a difficult situation everytime with a bluffcatcher. Sets are a small % of your range but they will be extremely helpful to protect your game on the river, that´s why the raise on the flop doesn´t makes sense, you dont need to have a raisecbet strategy on that board. Still people will raise but they usually are unbalance with a range composed by combodraws or flushdraws.
Qué bueno tenerte por aquí!:D
Mucha suerte en la nueva andadura, aquí por fin te tengo hablando sólo de poker.
Gl y espero que sean muchos videos para coserte a preguntas!
Questions:
in AA hand, if you bet 1k flop, overbet turn, which bluff combos would you prefer to use? Overall what will be your value and bluff range in: bet 1k/ turn overbet.
Thanks and nice to have you here.
Hi ^^
I prefer to check most of the turns and create a bluffing range on the river because of that, you dont have many hands you can use as a bluff besides flushdraws, in today´s Poker metagame good players will easily fold on the turn their weak overpairs because they know that you dont have enough bluffs, that´s why I would delay the All in to the river. In other boards you can go All in with AK as a bluff blocking slowplays( AA, KK).
Pd: would love to see how you use Pio for studying in a video. :)
Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Welcome Mate!!
Congratulations Elias, very nice first video, te sigo desde tu primer video en youtube, es muy agradable tenerte en un foro en el que podamos apreciar tus conocimientos, saludos desde mexico
Hi Elías,
First of all, welcome! I enjoyed your video a lot.
Two questions about the second hand, which I find particularly interesting:
1) In an earlier comment you write: "The key point to build a 4bet range deep it´s to start counting value combos from the last hand you feel comfortable going all in with. For example, UTG vs MP 250bbs you dont want to go allin with AK - QQ so we can move those hands to our call3bet range." Your approach here seems different from that of Snowie, who utilizes a much wider 4-betting strategy here that includes AK and QQ. Do you think Snowie is wrong in its approach, or what do you see as its drawbacks?
2) Pio does some extraordinary things when I run your second hand (using the Snowie ranges), like fold KK on the QJ6hh to a small OOP bet (I guess because of blockers to AK and the lack of outs against your KK+ value range). Do you think people ever fold a hand that strong in practice? Do you think it is absurd? If not, do you think the reason you are arguing for a large bet on the flop with AA is to exploit people who have difficulty letting hands such as KK go on the flop?
Keep up the good stuff!
Hello Barracuda :)
1/ I studied these situations mostly using Pio preflop solver because snowie has limited sizings and sometimes they dont match the sizings people do. Also Snowie will move AK and QQ to call3bet if you do an OR and MP 3BET using the pot button (250bs both players) It follows the same logic but the information is more difficult to understand in order to create an strategy, if your 3bet sizings are small playing very deep Snowie will think your range is not polarize and then the best strategy it´s wider 4bet ranges.
2/ It´s a very bad spot with KK definetely, I didn´t check the board with Pio, I dont think people will fold KK easily on the turn but they might do it on the river if they are good players. The reason of a large bet on the flop its to get more money, you get similar calling ranges and folds by doing both sizings but if you bet 1k you will earn more money and you will have easier decisions on the turn and river as well.
Thanks for your comments Elías!
what a refreshing type of video :)
phil give him a bigger contract - 7 videos a week please :)
didnt get bored once like i do with alot of other videos.
Great video Elias. Enjoyable and informative.
In the last hand at 23 minutes, what are your thoughts on bluffing all in?
I think that bluff can work pretty well overall especially in low stakes against tight players, in higher stakes I would say people wont let you exploit their capped ranges so easily
Hi SinKarma,
Enjoyed this video a lot, and it's nice to see something a bit different from the usual 500z grind. In general I think videos where producers cherry pick interesting hands make for better content than just playing 500z and seeing what spots come up. So more along these lines would be good!
No issues understanding you, so don't worry about the language barrier. Gl at the tables! :)
Thank you for the creative pleasant insightful work.
Grande Elias! I don´t even play cash games, but when you mentioned you will be a coach to RIO, I immediately subscribed ;)
P.S. : From Spain with love <3
Gracias :) I hope you enjoy my next videos!
Nice introduction.
Your English is more then good enough to produce videos imo.
Look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Congratulations Elias for the first video. I really enjoyed it!
Hola Elias !! Welcome to the team !!
Nice Video -
Do you mind sharing your win rate in terms of PT BB/100 at 10/20 NL and 500 Zoom on Stars?
Since you are really good with apps such as PIO solver and CR EV, it might be cool to see you do some sims with the hands after your review sometime.
Thanks
The graphs I showed in this video are 85% pokerstars and probably 65% Zoom500.
I didnt play much zoom500 this year. So I dont have the winrates unless I request hand histories and I wont do it now, I am busy as fuck xD (they were between 3 bigblinds to 4 bigblinds during 2014 2015 and 2016)
Kind Regards.
Great video, really enjoyed it and took several points away in just a few hands - looking forward to next videos
you mentioned you spent a lot of time studying early 2016? which you believe had a big impact, could you share your process? how do midstakes grinders make it to your level :)
It´s a very wide question :P
I´ve been studying a lot last two years, early in 2016 the position I worked the most was Game Ip as pfr, that one was huge step up because I wasn´t playing it very well. It might be the most important sequence to study.
There isn´t an answer for your last question, each person must live the experience and overcome their problems in order to become good at poker and those problems might be unique. It´s hard and tough many times.
Hi, welcome !
For the QJ6b , it's funny because, you say i'm always betting and checking turn with anything but you think that raising QQ JJ doesn't make sens for him.
Given the board isn't totally static, i clearly don't mind raising. sets.
And i don't know, but on a spot where he has mostly JJ+ AKs and you have AK QQ+ , i feel like, we prob want also to check full range here even if we add some rarely JTs QJs AQs.
I'm so surprised that he didn't ship the turn with Th9h, that's NL2k , you try to rep a set and you give up with the best semi bluff, very surprising.
I wouldn´t expect highstakes players raising on the flop with Sets because they would have a lot of issues with all the other hands playing call. You would get me there but maybe I would push you to the limit in other situations and you would miss those sets protecting your range.
The board isn´t totally static but you dont need to raise in order to get all the value with your sets, that´s the bottom line of "when to do raise". If we are playing 800bbs deep, yes, the sets are Raise because we need to raise in order to get all the money.
I think he realised that his line didn´t makes sense and I would call, that´s why he didn´t go allin, but I agree, going allin on the turn seems probably better.
But should he really will 3bet-calls with other things than AKs TT-KK AQs AJs ?
It doesn't seem very easy to put that range under pressure where your main bluff is gonna be AK, and will block mostly the weak part of his range.
I think he might have some Q´xs and Jx´s or KK more often than sets on the river. On this hand he actually had T9s, anyway it is super difficult to estimate how wide or not is his range playing super deep. I would need about 55% fold river in order to make money after my potbet Cbet. I think it might be ok.
Seems very weird to me because if you expect to make him fold everything exept QQ JJ , and even if he calls some Qxs Jxs. It's very hards to get value with AA.
Did you try to PIO this hand ? I don't have it unfortunately.
I would say that he checks full range on this flop.
Seems also weird to have a lot of Qxs Jxs in those position. (especially when you hold AK)
Thanks for the answer.
Probably the most entertaining coach on RIO.
This video was great! Really loved how much of your personality shows with talking into the camera and the eye contact. Music was a nice touch too. Looking forward to working through the rest of your videos
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