Minute 6, you peal a 4 bet with k3 suited with very shallow stacks, whats the reasoning for this, even with great pot odds, your basicly just at his mercy if he decides to cbet flop, which hes gonna do everysingle time, and even when u hit, u might not be good always...isnt it better just to shove if we think hes buffing or fold if we think hes not? i could undestand a little bit more the play with 89 suited or soemthung like that...
So we're calling 1533 into a pot of 7049 so we only need 21% equity to call. if he takes this sizing with all of his value range (and has NO bluffs) we have 29% equity vs 88+ AQ+ AQs+ and vs a tighter range of TT+ AKS, AKo we still have 25%.
Now, of course, that's not the whole story because we need to be able to realise that equity which is difficult vs a strong range OOP. That said the low SPR means we're never folding top pair or a flush draw which is a good thing. The other plus is that by (stubbornly) taking our pot odds we disincentivise people four-betting to this size and protect our 3-bet range.
If we identify a villain who makes small four-bets with range rather jamming or folding at this stack depth then we want to alter our 'bluff' range to more playable hands, 87s and the like, rather than blockers.
So we're calling 1533 into a pot of 7049 so we only need 21% equity to call. if he takes this sizing with all of his value range (and has NO bluffs) we have 29% equity vs 88+ AQ+ AQs+ and vs a tighter range of TT+ AKS, AKo we still have 25%.
Now, of course, that's not the whole story because we need to be able to realise that equity which is difficult vs a strong range OOP. That said the low SPR means we're never folding top pair or a flush draw which is a good thing. The other plus is that by (stubbornly) taking our pot odds we disincentivise people four-betting to this size and protect our 3-bet range.
If we identify a villain who makes small four-bets with range rather jamming or folding at this stack depth then we want to alter our 'bluff' range to more playable hands, 87s and the like, rather than blockers.
Hey there, I assume you mean the $50 cubed, not the $50r Big Antes. Think that buying in for minimum is now correct in all formats, but the cubeds I have to confess i still frequently double buy-i (which may be a leak) but I compensate for it (hopefully!) by playing better than opponents at a deep stack depth. In the pure rebuys, particularly a reg-filled turbo rebuy I buy-in for the min, which I think i did here.
Cryptic trolling?!?! Just showing a bit of solidarity for my brothers in Palestine. The plight of Palestinians and the occupation of their lands is a cause dear to my heart.
great vid Sammy as usual. But please I beg you, make a 4color deck buddy, ure confusing suited hands with offsuit and viceversa!!! And come play live poker and get a drink with us sometimes in Cardcasino bro!
I haven't seen the entire video yet, but just have a few questions already
JJ hand 4'30 : with position and over 50bb deep I feel it's much better to just call isn'it? JJ is kind of easy to play, and this deep he is not going to get it in with much worst unless you know he is a degenerate. What's his 3b stat?
As played I'd bet/call flop and pray, his range is something like 99-JJ, AQ+, perhaps KQs.
K3s what do you think about his click-it-back range? To me it's almost always AA-KK and it's pretty hard to outflop it with K3s, so I might just fold even with those great odds.
So I think it's kind of close here in such late position and vs the small blind (a position a lot of players 3bet too much from). What you say about bet-calling doesn't really follow though. The main problem is that by 4-betting JJ we strengthen the villains continuing range a huge amount. As a result of this once we get to the flop in a four-bet pot there are bet lines than bet calling off. Verse the range you out line we have 42%and if we include KQo it drops to 34%. The conclusion from this maybe, what you originally suggested, flatting pre. If we do four-bet calling once and folding river is probably best, particularly because it turns out he has slow plays.
K3s hand i've addressed elsewhere. I agree that some players only click with the top of their range, but some also do it to 'over-rep' weaker portions of their range and even as bluffs. I like to continue with such great pot-odds. Both because of the equity we have but also so as not to allow opponents a super profitable bluff spot.
7:45, you check/call A3o in J35r, dont u think it's a marginal play and a very though spot in most of the runouts? What would u think about only x/raising and x/folding strategy in this spot? I guess you think check call flop > check fold flop but we only have 5 outs and he could pick many turns to double barrel where we end up folding a lot of the time. Thanks!!
I think that if we check raise any of our strongest hands on this board we leave our calling range to weak. I'm quite comfortable check-calling one with A3 because i know that I do have all the hands that can withstand multiple barrels. I know it sometimes seems counter-intuitive to call once with hands that we know that we're likely to be folding on later streets but we just have to consider it in terms of our overall range. Including a correct frequency of hands you ARE folding is as important as including those you AREN'T.
Think of those villains you encounter who over-fold this flop but who you never bluff barrel because they are always calling down. They are far easier to play against than someone who has their ranges well constructed.
I think that if we check raise any of our strongest hands on this board we leave our calling range to weak. I'm quite comfortable check-calling one with A3 because i know that I do have all the hands that can withstand multiple barrels. I know it sometimes seems counter-intuitive to call once with hands that we know that we're likely to be folding on later streets but we just have to consider it in terms of our overall range. Including a correct frequency of hands you ARE folding is as important as including those you AREN'T.
Think of those villains you encounter who over-fold this flop but who you never bluff barrel because they are always calling down. They are far easier to play against than someone who has their ranges well constructed.
I think I would rethink the spot with 22 when you call a 17.5bb jam from button in sb and also the 33 3 bet jamming 20bb over an ep open and button flat pre ante both seem quite absurd, entertaining video though.
hey sam, really enjoyed your videos especially the last turbo ones you made, really spot-on and always insightful answers in the thread, many thanks for taking the time to answer
@ 21:15 upper right, shove utg+1 14bb with AJo, what do you think of min-raising your whole range here? is shoving 14bb here your standard play, and if so why is it better than min-raising?
@ 21:58 you're flatting 98s in BU vs a CO open with a 25bb stack,effectively putting 8% of stack to see a flop with a marginal hand and the risk of being squeezed behind. I'd be grateful if you can comment on this / if this is standard for you
In the first spot you mention I think jamming your entire range is the optimal and increasingly standard play in a turbo pko. Players have a huge incentive to peel when they cover us and the big blind should be peeling super wide. Of course this isn't the end of the world because they are peeling a lot of hands we crush but I think it's slightly better off this stack size and in this format to make them play for all the chips pre. Even playing an exploitative style I think jamming is marginally better than raising here.
The 98 hand I think is a little bit of a spew. I am trying to play more hands in this spot but think that (as you noted) we need stacks to be slightly deeper. That said it definitely is a spot people play too tight and we could defo peel JTss.
Great content - thanks ! I had a different kind of question:
Basically - why don't you use a 4-colour deck ? Don't you find it harder to read the boards this way ? I was also surprised to see you have some animations still "on" and avatars as well. I have all these things turned off and I'm only 4-tabling at most.
Kind of an odd-ball question, I realise, but I couldn't help wondering about these practical points.
Agree 100% about 4-colour deck. Never switched them over after i got a new desk-top. Definitely the GTO play.
Avatars are a 'closer spot' (lol) I think that they help you remember opponents better and the history you have with them and occasionally you can gain a little info about what type of player someone is on an 'avatar read.' Having said that I think the additional colour can distract a little from getting quick reads from your HUD. Guess it's personal preference.
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Minute 6, you peal a 4 bet with k3 suited with very shallow stacks, whats the reasoning for this, even with great pot odds, your basicly just at his mercy if he decides to cbet flop, which hes gonna do everysingle time, and even when u hit, u might not be good always...isnt it better just to shove if we think hes buffing or fold if we think hes not? i could undestand a little bit more the play with 89 suited or soemthung like that...
Hey. Thanks for the question.
So we're calling 1533 into a pot of 7049 so we only need 21% equity to call. if he takes this sizing with all of his value range (and has NO bluffs) we have 29% equity vs 88+ AQ+ AQs+ and vs a tighter range of TT+ AKS, AKo we still have 25%.
Now, of course, that's not the whole story because we need to be able to realise that equity which is difficult vs a strong range OOP. That said the low SPR means we're never folding top pair or a flush draw which is a good thing. The other plus is that by (stubbornly) taking our pot odds we disincentivise people four-betting to this size and protect our 3-bet range.
If we identify a villain who makes small four-bets with range rather jamming or folding at this stack depth then we want to alter our 'bluff' range to more playable hands, 87s and the like, rather than blockers.
Hey. Thanks for the question.
So we're calling 1533 into a pot of 7049 so we only need 21% equity to call. if he takes this sizing with all of his value range (and has NO bluffs) we have 29% equity vs 88+ AQ+ AQs+ and vs a tighter range of TT+ AKS, AKo we still have 25%.
Now, of course, that's not the whole story because we need to be able to realise that equity which is difficult vs a strong range OOP. That said the low SPR means we're never folding top pair or a flush draw which is a good thing. The other plus is that by (stubbornly) taking our pot odds we disincentivise people four-betting to this size and protect our 3-bet range.
If we identify a villain who makes small four-bets with range rather jamming or folding at this stack depth then we want to alter our 'bluff' range to more playable hands, 87s and the like, rather than blockers.
Great video as always. You decide not to start your rebuy tournaments with a double stack, what your reasoning behind this?.
Hey there, I assume you mean the $50 cubed, not the $50r Big Antes. Think that buying in for minimum is now correct in all formats, but the cubeds I have to confess i still frequently double buy-i (which may be a leak) but I compensate for it (hopefully!) by playing better than opponents at a deep stack depth. In the pure rebuys, particularly a reg-filled turbo rebuy I buy-in for the min, which I think i did here.
Really enjoy your videos but the flag of Palestine In your Avatar , poker players should be realistic no ?
Cryptic trolling?!?! Just showing a bit of solidarity for my brothers in Palestine. The plight of Palestinians and the occupation of their lands is a cause dear to my heart.
great vid Sammy as usual. But please I beg you, make a 4color deck buddy, ure confusing suited hands with offsuit and viceversa!!! And come play live poker and get a drink with us sometimes in Cardcasino bro!
+1 for: And come play live poker and get a drink with us sometimes in Cardcasino bro!
Thanks lads! When do you suggest? Heard about some 'Czech Poker Tour' timbey? Sound good?
CPT sounds good, come and play bro :)
Great video Sam and always entertaining.
Thank you sir!
I haven't seen the entire video yet, but just have a few questions already
JJ hand 4'30 : with position and over 50bb deep I feel it's much better to just call isn'it? JJ is kind of easy to play, and this deep he is not going to get it in with much worst unless you know he is a degenerate. What's his 3b stat?
As played I'd bet/call flop and pray, his range is something like 99-JJ, AQ+, perhaps KQs.
K3s what do you think about his click-it-back range? To me it's almost always AA-KK and it's pretty hard to outflop it with K3s, so I might just fold even with those great odds.
So I think it's kind of close here in such late position and vs the small blind (a position a lot of players 3bet too much from). What you say about bet-calling doesn't really follow though. The main problem is that by 4-betting JJ we strengthen the villains continuing range a huge amount. As a result of this once we get to the flop in a four-bet pot there are bet lines than bet calling off. Verse the range you out line we have 42%and if we include KQo it drops to 34%. The conclusion from this maybe, what you originally suggested, flatting pre. If we do four-bet calling once and folding river is probably best, particularly because it turns out he has slow plays.
Above is worse case scenario range!
K3s hand i've addressed elsewhere. I agree that some players only click with the top of their range, but some also do it to 'over-rep' weaker portions of their range and even as bluffs. I like to continue with such great pot-odds. Both because of the equity we have but also so as not to allow opponents a super profitable bluff spot.
7:45, you check/call A3o in J35r, dont u think it's a marginal play and a very though spot in most of the runouts? What would u think about only x/raising and x/folding strategy in this spot? I guess you think check call flop > check fold flop but we only have 5 outs and he could pick many turns to double barrel where we end up folding a lot of the time. Thanks!!
I think that if we check raise any of our strongest hands on this board we leave our calling range to weak. I'm quite comfortable check-calling one with A3 because i know that I do have all the hands that can withstand multiple barrels. I know it sometimes seems counter-intuitive to call once with hands that we know that we're likely to be folding on later streets but we just have to consider it in terms of our overall range. Including a correct frequency of hands you ARE folding is as important as including those you AREN'T.
Think of those villains you encounter who over-fold this flop but who you never bluff barrel because they are always calling down. They are far easier to play against than someone who has their ranges well constructed.
I think that if we check raise any of our strongest hands on this board we leave our calling range to weak. I'm quite comfortable check-calling one with A3 because i know that I do have all the hands that can withstand multiple barrels. I know it sometimes seems counter-intuitive to call once with hands that we know that we're likely to be folding on later streets but we just have to consider it in terms of our overall range. Including a correct frequency of hands you ARE folding is as important as including those you AREN'T.
Think of those villains you encounter who over-fold this flop but who you never bluff barrel because they are always calling down. They are far easier to play against than someone who has their ranges well constructed.
I think I would rethink the spot with 22 when you call a 17.5bb jam from button in sb and also the 33 3 bet jamming 20bb over an ep open and button flat pre ante both seem quite absurd, entertaining video though.
Can you give me the time stamps. The first one seems fine, but I agree that the second seems somewhat out of line.
can you give us any math that may back those spots?
hey sam, really enjoyed your videos especially the last turbo ones you made, really spot-on and always insightful answers in the thread, many thanks for taking the time to answer
@ 21:15 upper right, shove utg+1 14bb with AJo, what do you think of min-raising your whole range here? is shoving 14bb here your standard play, and if so why is it better than min-raising?
@ 21:58 you're flatting 98s in BU vs a CO open with a 25bb stack,effectively putting 8% of stack to see a flop with a marginal hand and the risk of being squeezed behind. I'd be grateful if you can comment on this / if this is standard for you
Hey bro. Glad your enjoying the vids.
In the first spot you mention I think jamming your entire range is the optimal and increasingly standard play in a turbo pko. Players have a huge incentive to peel when they cover us and the big blind should be peeling super wide. Of course this isn't the end of the world because they are peeling a lot of hands we crush but I think it's slightly better off this stack size and in this format to make them play for all the chips pre. Even playing an exploitative style I think jamming is marginally better than raising here.
The 98 hand I think is a little bit of a spew. I am trying to play more hands in this spot but think that (as you noted) we need stacks to be slightly deeper. That said it definitely is a spot people play too tight and we could defo peel JTss.
Great content - thanks ! I had a different kind of question:
Basically - why don't you use a 4-colour deck ? Don't you find it harder to read the boards this way ? I was also surprised to see you have some animations still "on" and avatars as well. I have all these things turned off and I'm only 4-tabling at most.
Kind of an odd-ball question, I realise, but I couldn't help wondering about these practical points.
Hey H,
Agree 100% about 4-colour deck. Never switched them over after i got a new desk-top. Definitely the GTO play.
Avatars are a 'closer spot' (lol) I think that they help you remember opponents better and the history you have with them and occasionally you can gain a little info about what type of player someone is on an 'avatar read.' Having said that I think the additional colour can distract a little from getting quick reads from your HUD. Guess it's personal preference.
Fair enough. I'm considering turning the avatars back on; the memory effect can be useful I guess.
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