Hey Sam, thanks again for publishing this awesome series. Some great areas that I took for further study. Your 3bet with ATo vs Trueteller, what do you assume he 4bjams vs your 3bet? Also would you assume your 3bet bluff range here is ATo, KQo, AJo (All combos) and if any other sprinkles of random stuff how many additional combos would you guesstimate?
He's getting a pretty good price to shove so three betting all the offusit combos of AT/AJ/KQ is prob a little too much. If i wanted to sprinkle in some random stuff it would prob be suited wheel aces. He should probably 4bet shove JJ+, AK, maybe TT if I am three betting extra wide. Of course flatting with KK-AA from time to time is also fine for him.
if you say wushu's river bluff is too loose potentially with QJo, what hands do you think make better bluffs? feels like there arent many better candidates other than a similar hand without a heart.
I think it's a fine bluff. A hand like 65s is a mandatory bluff otr imo. If he bluffs all qjo and jto combos on the river he is probably over bluffing OTT and OTR so it's a bluff he can make some of the time, but not all of the time.
Hi Sam! My question is also about the ATo (36min) : how much looser is Trueteller than the average, what is his opening range from that position? And what is ur 3bet range in this situation? Thank you in advance!
I am not sure what his opening range from that position is. I've seen him make some really loose opens in other tourneys, but those were at much softer tables. I think he's probably opening around 25% or so here.
I'd probably three bet get in TT+, AK and three bet bluff ATo and AJo.
at 7:40, you discuss Negreanu check shove and the benefit (or lack of) for getting his opponent to fold 2 overs vs when he has better hands. I agree with what you are saying but other spots aren't as clear cut. Can you please discuss stack sizes against check calling/check shoving in similar spots. Or discuss this spot further?
As stack to pot is larger the more expensive shoving comes, the less valuable folding out equity becomes. It isn't as cut and dry as saying "if you have 2x pot behind you can shove on the flop" because board texture and preflop ranges are important factors.
As rules of thumb, we should be more inclined to shove on wet boards, however wet/dry are a function of your opponent's range. For instance most would say that KQJ FD is a wetter board than 852 rainbow, however if you c/rai with 98 852 rainbow you fold a lot more hands with 20-30% equity vs. your hand than if you c/rai with K5 on KQJ fd. You should be more inclined to shove hands where your opponent will make mistakes by folding hands with lots of equity, ideally folding hands that will mostly put money in on future streets if they improve to a better hand.
great video. love the format.
at 27min with 77 on k65dd, u cbet 2k into 3550. are you cbetting all 77-QQ on that board? the bet seems a bit large to bet with nearly ur range. I understand you need protection with 77 but i would think this size is moreso Kx+. It seems like a lot to balance if u r gunna develop a flop check/call range on this board with QQ/JJ/TT type hands that need less protection (and maybe checking KK as well and weaker Kxs) and then a bet flop and turn check/call range with hands like 77-99 that wanna protection bet flop and then check turn once we narrowed his range.
It seems more fluid to have a betting range of KQ+ on flop as well as some 87s, 97s, flush draws, and some hands with backdoors and then check flop with KK, 77-QQ, 76s Kxs, some AQ. I know 77 wants to bet but i think it gets really tricky later in hand given it hards to protect each range. Its much easier to develop solid strat that includes some check/folds, check/calls, and check/raises, if u just divide range on flop.
FIVEbet i notice im beginning to have similar questions as you. The 2k bet seemed a bit large, with my first instinct thinking he should bet smaller (closer to 1/3) if he wants to bet a hand like 77 on this texture.
Whats your general strategy in these spots sam? Splitting range, or betting range with one sizing?
I am not splitting between two sizes here. The board has lots of fds/straight draws betting 60% pot is reasonable even if most tourney players would bet smaller. If I wanted to bet smaller, i'd probably mix based on having a key blocker. For example bet smaller when I have the Ad in my hand since I block a lot of his continuing range.
77 is a tricky hand to play in a 3b pot on this board. Betting flop smaller or checking the flop will create their own problems, but I think betting roughly this size with my cbetting range is probably for the best.
thx for response. what other hands though would you bet flop and check turn with? ur cbetting ur entire range for 2k or are you gunna have all 77-QQ that wants to check turn?
At 16m with KJo in the BB. how come on the turn in a 4 way pot you bet so strong when your're certainly going to pick up at least 1, if not 2 calls against ranges that are undefined that also have position on you? With your stack size it even makes it more awkward on the river. Ultimately, doesn't that always put you in a vulnerable spot on rivers you don't improve OOP? Also, would you expect more middling suited combos to c-bet this flop from the in position players?
For argument sake, what do you do if it checks to DPeters and he bets say 15k with Educa-Poker left to act?
I am not certainly going to pick up 1 or 2 calls and my opponent's ranges are not undefined. They are uncapped but their preflop/flop actions tell me a lot about their hands. I bet 2/3 pot, which isn't particularly big, if I bet smaller I let other players realize their equity too easily especially if it goes multiway.
I am not sure how i'd react to a bet of 15k, since that would be a 1.1x PSB with a player with 2x pot behind still in the pot. If dpeters made a standard 1/2 to 2/3rds PSB i'd probably reluctantly call since he'd three bet QQ+ a lot pre, probably fold 22 or 3b/F AJo. So that gives him three combos of 77, 1 combo of JJ, 2 combos of AJs and he may bet the flop with those combos as well. I am getting a good price and his value range is pretty narrow and I have a good bluff catcher that blocks value, but doesn't block any bluffs.
Nice vid !
I have a question about KJo hand 20:,00 where you defend in BB. I like turn bet and river check. But I think river is more check-fold than check-call if he bets any reasonable amount like he did 10k. even if you have a very good bluffcatcher. If he bets like 1/3 is obv a call. I mean those players need to realize that they are not really repping many value combos and they can have a lot of bluff combos and if he bets big he obv. needs to expect that one of the players will fold Jx and I dont think they expect this.
Idk really how to explain this but when i bluffcatched in similar spots like this in multiway pots I was usualy beat.
What about if you have AJ in this spot? I think we can valueship or valuebet AJ.
Thanks for your response this really is great series.
maybe you can shed some light here but i personally don't think improving to the nut kicker would make it that large of a difference. you liked a check/fold vs a 10k bet on the river when holding JK but want to get it in with AJ? to me that seems quite ambitious and I'm curious why you think this? is the upgrade to now beating JK when villains have it, from tying it when we too had JK, really enough to justify the huge strategy difference? please elaborate bang, just want to pick your brain after that statement.
solid video, that particular hand did play quite weird, would have really liked to see a showdown. it's hard to put peters on a monster. wouldn't he have raised the turn with sets, given action? it was a fairly wet, two spade board with gutters available, flatting a set here three way and someone left to act behind would almost never happen eh? not to mention you bet the turn pretty hard + one flat, so the pot was large, I think a set has to raise, or am I wrong in thinking that? obviously flatting would add a lot of deception and could lead to nice profits on some rivers but could also be costly.
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Hey Sam, thanks again for publishing this awesome series. Some great areas that I took for further study. Your 3bet with ATo vs Trueteller, what do you assume he 4bjams vs your 3bet? Also would you assume your 3bet bluff range here is ATo, KQo, AJo (All combos) and if any other sprinkles of random stuff how many additional combos would you guesstimate?
He's getting a pretty good price to shove so three betting all the offusit combos of AT/AJ/KQ is prob a little too much. If i wanted to sprinkle in some random stuff it would prob be suited wheel aces. He should probably 4bet shove JJ+, AK, maybe TT if I am three betting extra wide. Of course flatting with KK-AA from time to time is also fine for him.
if you say wushu's river bluff is too loose potentially with QJo, what hands do you think make better bluffs? feels like there arent many better candidates other than a similar hand without a heart.
I think it's a fine bluff. A hand like 65s is a mandatory bluff otr imo. If he bluffs all qjo and jto combos on the river he is probably over bluffing OTT and OTR so it's a bluff he can make some of the time, but not all of the time.
Hi Sam! My question is also about the ATo (36min) : how much looser is Trueteller than the average, what is his opening range from that position? And what is ur 3bet range in this situation? Thank you in advance!
I am not sure what his opening range from that position is. I've seen him make some really loose opens in other tourneys, but those were at much softer tables. I think he's probably opening around 25% or so here.
I'd probably three bet get in TT+, AK and three bet bluff ATo and AJo.
at 7:40, you discuss Negreanu check shove and the benefit (or lack of) for getting his opponent to fold 2 overs vs when he has better hands. I agree with what you are saying but other spots aren't as clear cut. Can you please discuss stack sizes against check calling/check shoving in similar spots. Or discuss this spot further?
As stack to pot is larger the more expensive shoving comes, the less valuable folding out equity becomes. It isn't as cut and dry as saying "if you have 2x pot behind you can shove on the flop" because board texture and preflop ranges are important factors.
As rules of thumb, we should be more inclined to shove on wet boards, however wet/dry are a function of your opponent's range. For instance most would say that KQJ FD is a wetter board than 852 rainbow, however if you c/rai with 98 852 rainbow you fold a lot more hands with 20-30% equity vs. your hand than if you c/rai with K5 on KQJ fd. You should be more inclined to shove hands where your opponent will make mistakes by folding hands with lots of equity, ideally folding hands that will mostly put money in on future streets if they improve to a better hand.
great video. love the format.
at 27min with 77 on k65dd, u cbet 2k into 3550. are you cbetting all 77-QQ on that board? the bet seems a bit large to bet with nearly ur range. I understand you need protection with 77 but i would think this size is moreso Kx+. It seems like a lot to balance if u r gunna develop a flop check/call range on this board with QQ/JJ/TT type hands that need less protection (and maybe checking KK as well and weaker Kxs) and then a bet flop and turn check/call range with hands like 77-99 that wanna protection bet flop and then check turn once we narrowed his range.
It seems more fluid to have a betting range of KQ+ on flop as well as some 87s, 97s, flush draws, and some hands with backdoors and then check flop with KK, 77-QQ, 76s Kxs, some AQ. I know 77 wants to bet but i think it gets really tricky later in hand given it hards to protect each range. Its much easier to develop solid strat that includes some check/folds, check/calls, and check/raises, if u just divide range on flop.
FIVEbet i notice im beginning to have similar questions as you. The 2k bet seemed a bit large, with my first instinct thinking he should bet smaller (closer to 1/3) if he wants to bet a hand like 77 on this texture.
Whats your general strategy in these spots sam? Splitting range, or betting range with one sizing?
I am not splitting between two sizes here. The board has lots of fds/straight draws betting 60% pot is reasonable even if most tourney players would bet smaller. If I wanted to bet smaller, i'd probably mix based on having a key blocker. For example bet smaller when I have the Ad in my hand since I block a lot of his continuing range.
77 is a tricky hand to play in a 3b pot on this board. Betting flop smaller or checking the flop will create their own problems, but I think betting roughly this size with my cbetting range is probably for the best.
thx for response. what other hands though would you bet flop and check turn with? ur cbetting ur entire range for 2k or are you gunna have all 77-QQ that wants to check turn?
At 16m with KJo in the BB. how come on the turn in a 4 way pot you bet so strong when your're certainly going to pick up at least 1, if not 2 calls against ranges that are undefined that also have position on you? With your stack size it even makes it more awkward on the river. Ultimately, doesn't that always put you in a vulnerable spot on rivers you don't improve OOP? Also, would you expect more middling suited combos to c-bet this flop from the in position players?
For argument sake, what do you do if it checks to DPeters and he bets say 15k with Educa-Poker left to act?
I am not certainly going to pick up 1 or 2 calls and my opponent's ranges are not undefined. They are uncapped but their preflop/flop actions tell me a lot about their hands. I bet 2/3 pot, which isn't particularly big, if I bet smaller I let other players realize their equity too easily especially if it goes multiway.
I am not sure how i'd react to a bet of 15k, since that would be a 1.1x PSB with a player with 2x pot behind still in the pot. If dpeters made a standard 1/2 to 2/3rds PSB i'd probably reluctantly call since he'd three bet QQ+ a lot pre, probably fold 22 or 3b/F AJo. So that gives him three combos of 77, 1 combo of JJ, 2 combos of AJs and he may bet the flop with those combos as well. I am getting a good price and his value range is pretty narrow and I have a good bluff catcher that blocks value, but doesn't block any bluffs.
Nice vid !
I have a question about KJo hand 20:,00 where you defend in BB. I like turn bet and river check. But I think river is more check-fold than check-call if he bets any reasonable amount like he did 10k. even if you have a very good bluffcatcher. If he bets like 1/3 is obv a call. I mean those players need to realize that they are not really repping many value combos and they can have a lot of bluff combos and if he bets big he obv. needs to expect that one of the players will fold Jx and I dont think they expect this.
Idk really how to explain this but when i bluffcatched in similar spots like this in multiway pots I was usualy beat.
What about if you have AJ in this spot? I think we can valueship or valuebet AJ.
Thanks for your response this really is great series.
maybe you can shed some light here but i personally don't think improving to the nut kicker would make it that large of a difference. you liked a check/fold vs a 10k bet on the river when holding JK but want to get it in with AJ? to me that seems quite ambitious and I'm curious why you think this? is the upgrade to now beating JK when villains have it, from tying it when we too had JK, really enough to justify the huge strategy difference? please elaborate bang, just want to pick your brain after that statement.
solid video, that particular hand did play quite weird, would have really liked to see a showdown. it's hard to put peters on a monster. wouldn't he have raised the turn with sets, given action? it was a fairly wet, two spade board with gutters available, flatting a set here three way and someone left to act behind would almost never happen eh? not to mention you bet the turn pretty hard + one flat, so the pot was large, I think a set has to raise, or am I wrong in thinking that? obviously flatting would add a lot of deception and could lead to nice profits on some rivers but could also be costly.
KJ loses to AJ and AJ can be as many as 8 combos, which is a lot when our opponents value range might only have 24 non AJ combos.
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