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Antes, Straddles, and Common Mistakes

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POSTED Mar 11, 2019

Darren Wee makes his Run It Once debut with a theory video discussing ante games commonly played on the Chinese poker apps before jumping into common mistakes that many players are making.

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G G 6 years ago

Hi, Darren, have u played in Macau Casinos? How hard is medium stake there to beat? Maybe u can even make a video on live scenes, that would be helpful. Thx.

Darren W 6 years ago

Hi I do go macau regularly maybe 2 3 times a year.
Will make a macau live session series during my time here. Thanks for the idea.
50 100 hkd is def beatable for a decent rate. 100 200 is pretty tough Imo

mr7lars 6 years ago

Thanks for the video, fun to see someone familiar with the ante games at asian app sites. I was playing 2017 on Pokermaster and 13poker/ohpoker with good results. Though something happened in 2018 with a huge inflow of bots and somewhat rigged games. For example on ohpoker me and 4 friends went from winning players to even players over a pretty decent sample, we considered the options and actually decided to quit all of us.
Have you noticed changed games, weird stuff throughout the years?
Which app do you recommend if i consider a comeback on app sites?

Darren W 6 years ago

Every pool works differently. It could be that another agent suddenly got a large inflow of winning regulars (think stars zoom grinders) and this suddenly made your player pool very different.
Over the years it's gotten tougher for sure but I think that's true of any online poker environment. Recs get cleared online much faster than in b n m casinos so I think the avg lifespan of a rec online is much lower than live.
I believe most sites are still beatable at 5 10 20 rmb. I don't know all the apps but the only thing I would be really careful of is collusion, I think bots are a myth at this point until proven otherwise.

atown36 5 years, 10 months ago

I had the same experience, games got super rigged and I played on all the major apps. And bots are not a myth, i know 100% of a botring because some of them got caught, they all had almost identical stats.

therapist 6 years ago

Very grateful for the content Darren, welcome on board. Would be very keen to see some of your strategic adjustments in these games for postflop play, especially multiways. Awesome vid!

simrud 6 years ago

I did some very superficial research and I understand you can multi-table on a simulator and H2N is the hud to use. Is that correct? Also how are the time banks / how friendly are the apps to multi-tabling in general?

Darren W 6 years ago

Hey yes you can use computer simulators to run Apps on android like PokerMaster or 13poker or most of the other apps
For time banks I think default time is 15s, you get 1 free extension for 30s more and if you want to extend further you need to use 'gems' aka diamonds which u need to buy using in app purchase. Kind of like buying a better costume in a mobile fighting game, haha.
Mulittabling is generally no issue but you would need separate account for each table.

therapist 6 years ago

I m curious when your deploying the "only limp" strategy UTG when entering the pot, what is your limping range? How much wider can we go comparatively to the 14-17% RFI range?
You abandon the open limping strategy from MP and LP I assume, right?

Darren W 6 years ago

Yes we mainly limp early to protect vs aggro 3bers in our +1 to +3 positions as well as confuse opponents not used To balanced limping strat.
I think u can go down to maybe 20%, but I would cut the ajo kqo type hands as we're going mw fairly often when we limp.

Libera 6 years ago

Hey very nice vid, can you tell me how your's non-showdown line looks like at these games? Usually when I played "my style" at China app I was like b/e on red line assuming I'm playing my A game, today after trying to implement your ideas i see my red line is going down, its obviously a sample issue, I'm just curious how your red line looks like if you don't mind me asking.

Darren W 6 years ago

I actually have not been able to get a HUD to work with PM in a very long time, if you could share with me which software/Hud you are using ?

Howmuchuplay 6 years ago

Many useful tips in the video, great job mate! I subscribed RIO again partly because of seeing production of this kind of videos, so pls keep doing it! I'm currently grinding on Hi Poker which is a Chinese App. The structure is like 5/10/10(5). Players are passive preflop and only 3bet with a very strong range (less than 5% on average). Are there any quick tips for this game type? Thanks!

RunItTw1ce 6 years ago

Why do you think straddle should 4bet polar vs sb / bb? For the most part people will call 3bet more than 4bet their hand. Where a linear range does better IP in general. I think you should only use polar if you know villain plays 4bet or fold, which is not very common these days. For the most part its purely linear and wider as you get in later positions. Referring to your charts at 43:43.

Great first video overall, but some ranges seem out dated or too wide for 2 blind game no ante. Some low suited gappers 86s, should not be called or raised from MP. Stacks would have to be greater than 100bb. J9s is near bottom of HJ range. I could see limping in live games wider range, but not online.

Would be interested to see if you profit with these hands from positions 3-5. I highly doubt hands like 86s and 43s are showing a profit.

Nizzy 5 years, 10 months ago

Sorry for the noob questino, but near the beginning of the video, you mentioned that the BB gets 8/36 pot odds preflop? I get that there is $12 on the pot (blinds/antes) but that's where my understanding ends lolz

Darren W 5 years, 10 months ago

Hey, how we get 8/34 is because in a $2 / $4 game with $1 ante and a $12 open:

Small blind (2) + Big blind (4) + 8 antes (1) + the raise ($12) = 14+12=26. That's the pot size.
When we're evaluating pot odds for most decisions in poker, including other stuff like evaluating the percentage we need to win to make a river call profitable, the formula is given as such: (Amt we risk) / (Potsize+Amt we risk)
As the big blind, we're facing a $12 raise but we've already put in $4 (antes are already in the pot) so we only need to pay $8 to call.
Thus, the pot odds we get from the big blind is 8/(26+8), or 8/34.
Hope this helps!

jevonsjiang 5 years ago

Hi Darren~
There is some controdiction between you said: Applications of NLH recommends opening 47.5% form BTN vs BB in a non-ante game. So we definitely have to open wider than that in ante games.
Then you also point out it's a three blind game, so we have to play a little bit tighter, then you give a hand charts of BTN open only 36%.
Kind of a big gap between 47.5% and 36% don't you think?

You make it clear that playing too tight is bleeding money in ante-game, but since opponents tend to over call open, it's difficult to play a wide range in a muti-way pot even IP.
And do you think that since opponents are more likely to over call in their blinds when you call EP in MP or BTN, should we adjust to 3-bet isolate more with a wider range, rather than just call and play a muti-way pot with hands like JJ KJs?

In the other video "R", you tall about Equity Realization, Here in this one, Straddle calling 51.43% vs BTN's 36% RFI range, I don't think straddle can realize it's equity very well since it doesn't have range advantage or position, even with the great pot odds. And people tend to open biger like 4x these days.

Hope you lay out more though about this, I would love to see you making another vedio talk about range building, expcially those that you didn't cover in this one, like EP facing 3-bet, BTN/SB vs HJ/EP open and so on.

Thanks!

joomorrow 5 years ago

47.5% in default game (2 blinds, no ante) - that's not correct now as the book is outdated but let's assume it's correct.
You should open wider (say 60%) in 2 blinds with antes games.
And you should open tighter (say 35%) in 3 blinds with antes games.
So it's not contradicted at all.

Khamsing80 4 years, 11 months ago

Hey Darren awesome video keep up the good work!! I have a question you say " You say we we need to mix some stragty". how do you do that playing live poker? for exam. .50% >25%.>25 When I
play online I just use a RGN

Khamsing80 4 years, 11 months ago

Also Darren great great! Preflop video you broke everthing down I can actually understand . where you show all the hand and what range to limp,3bet, call ,etc Can you make future video just like this Flop. turn,River Which one to C-Bet, check, Fold, on Flod < Turn < River play. Kinda like this video except post flop play that will be awesome!! Thank you sir keep up the good work.

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